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To be fair there's not a single company in this business that has both hands clean; they've all done extremely scummy things at one point or another. So if we buy based on "clean conscience" alone, we'd not be buying PC hardware period lol. frown.gif
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Well they didn't know enough to mention the variations in the clock speeds from the rated specs until someone else called them out on it. The clock speeds for each mode are clearly stated in the specs, they took GPU-Z shots of the settings out of the box, which clearly show that the cards were in OC mode, and failed to mention it anywhere in their article. Now they are attempting to take the high road and garner some appreciation of the anti Nvidia/Asus/MSI/Big Business crowd. Luckily for them that crowd is fairly dense and equipped with slick foreheads making it easy to pull the wool.

I understand the issue that everyone has. I don't disagree with having some distrust in the two manufacturers for not being upfront with the tech sites about it the setting. What I disagree with the idea that the sites are blameless and that this somehow inflated the test results. The cards should have been tested in it's default mode and it's maximum setting since it is available and easily implemented. There would be exactly zero problems if the card was sent out with a note stating that it was set to it's max setting/OC Mode. The test sites could have tested the cards in all modes and we would have a complete review of the product instead of the half baked attempt we got.

we are on the same page except the bolded. to give a reasonable example:

OVERALL SUMMERY of GAMING

MSI (OC mode) 100%
Gigabyte . . . . . 99.8%
eVGA . . . . . . . 99.5%
MSI (gaming mode) 99.3%

both gigabyte and evga just lost some sales due to MSI's shenanigans. as you say, lots of people are dense with slick foreheads. they'll just look at numbers and think, "oooohhh bigger is better!" and buy that card. to think that isn't why those cards were sent out in OC mode is naive.
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I look at the build quality. Warranty, overall features list and price. I take all fps benchmarks with a grain of salt. If i see one card with 1-3 fps more than another, i don't care in the single slightest>< It's meaningless really. The frame rate is going to be a little different on different peoples machines anyway. My machine is hardly ever the same machine as the reviewers machine therefore the fps in whatever game aren;t going to likely be the same either. And even with the same general hardware there can be differences.

I'm either in the market for buying a card or not. And a good reviewer should be able to tell the difference if the official clocks were stated, to say they never noticed is pretty ignorant. Isn't that what they do? Test hardware? How newb can you be and be a tech site and say you didn't notice. I think a manufacturer would have to assume that tech sites are stupid enough to not notice to be that ballsy. And apparently they are right. The card can do what it says though, so it's not a lie. The lie is actually on the reviewer if they in fact stated "default clocks" without paying attention. The only way i would say this is shady is if they actually clocked the card higher and then somehow made it report a different speed. Otherwise it's good strategy and totally on the reviewer to pay attention.

Monitor manufacturers have been doing it for over a decade. Most of your Tn panels that are stated 1Ms GtG are't 1Ms GtG at all usually. Nor are the 1440p Ips gaming panels 4ms GtG. I look at it like the government. They basically count on the public to be as stupid as they are, and they always seem to get away with it in one way or another. Who's to blame really?
Edited by KGPrime - 6/18/16 at 11:58am
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You see what's wrong with us?

We still buy their products, but we really shouldn't, because we are taken as idiots. Albeit most people on Overclock fall in a small percentage of consumer market that is smarter overall, but still....

Companies treat us like idiots, until someone speaks the truth about something that should be laid out in the open.

L-O-L this 1080 launch is perhaps the most toxic in terms of lies from manufacturers and expectations from consumer. I swear, I would buy AMD if they had anything remotely good compared to 1080.

Haha, that sums it up pretty well. We all complain about the terrible and deceitful nature of these companies (in every industry, not just PC hardware), but at the end of the day we all end up waiting in line to take our medicine and ask for seconds smile.gif
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To be fair there's not a single company in this business that has both hands clean; they've all done extremely scummy things at one point or another. So if we buy based on "clean conscience" alone, we'd not be buying PC hardware period lol. frown.gif

to add to this, we've all done scummy things at our jobs and probably justified it on some level. Glass houses, stones and all that...
Edited by DNMock - 6/18/16 at 10:13am
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to add to this, we've all done scummy things at our jobs and probably justified it on some level. Glass houses, stones and all that...

sorry, but when it comes to scummy things at work; i can throw as many stones as i like. honest days work for an hostest day pay and all that. wink.gif
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we are on the same page except the bolded. to give a reasonable example:

OVERALL SUMMERY of GAMING

MSI (OC mode) 100%
Gigabyte . . . . . 99.8%
eVGA . . . . . . . 99.5%
MSI (gaming mode) 99.3%

both gigabyte and evga just lost some sales due to MSI's shenanigans. as you say, lots of people are dense with slick foreheads. they'll just look at numbers and think, "oooohhh bigger is better!" and buy that card. to think that isn't why those cards were sent out in OC mode is naive.

It was sent out in OC mode because that is the highest performance setting on the card, I am not debating that. My point is that even if the card was sent out in quiet mode it should still be tested in gaming and OC mode for the review. If the review was thorough and done properly the results would have been exactly the same with the addition of scores for quiet and gaming mode in the list.
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My point is that even if the card was sent out in quiet mode it should still be tested in gaming and OC mode for the review. If the review was thorough and done properly the results would have been exactly the same with the addition of scores for quiet and gaming mode in the list.

This is exactly what I've been thinking, too.
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I have an msi card with the oc app. It has 3 settings but is advertised at the fastest speed.

The review samples are set to the fastest advertised speed which is not a higher manual overclock than what you get out of the box.

So what exactly is the issue? The manufacturer wants to ensure card is reviewed at its highest advertised speed and set it accordingly.

If a reviewer doesnt install the app the card is then slower than advertised.
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It was sent out in OC mode because that is the highest performance setting on the card, I am not debating that. My point is that even if the card was sent out in quiet mode it should still be tested in gaming and OC mode for the review. If the review was thorough and done properly the results would have been exactly the same with the addition of scores for quiet and gaming mode in the list.

This is definitely one of the most reasonable responses I've seen in this thread so far.... I'm with you on that, I'd personally be pointing the finger at the reviewers not being thorough.
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It was sent out in OC mode because that is the highest performance setting on the card, I am not debating that. My point is that even if the card was sent out in quiet mode it should still be tested in gaming and OC mode for the review. If the review was thorough and done properly the results would have been exactly the same with the addition of scores for quiet and gaming mode in the list.

ah, read the response from asus; the reason it was sent out in OC mode is they know reviewers don't have that kind of time.

for what its worth i agree with you but will also take it with a grain of reality.
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