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Originally Posted by jmcosta View Post

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because one step boost will make any difference

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Originally Posted by EightDee8D View Post

today its 1 step, tomorrow it can be 10. point is show what you sell, not something different. doesn't matter if it's only 1 % difference.

Not only this, but Jayz2cents also pointed out (which im shocked he did) That in a scenario where a bunch of different 1070/1080s from differenet AIBs are being reviewed, most users are going to just look at the graphs and see which one gives the best FPS. And even if MSI and Asus give out 1 extra FPS over other AIBs, the chances of them getting the sale are higher.
post #92 of 100
The only time constraints there should be on getting a review out is the one the sites place on themselves. If the manufacturers are placing a time constraint for the review unit they send out then the review sites should be noting that in their reviews. I wouldn't mind knowing which manufacturers are limiting how much time the sites get to do a proper review. My guess is that the time issue is one that is created by the site itself so that they aren't late to the party.

We accept this practice with all of our other news reporting so I guess it is acceptable with our tech news as well.

Asus and MSI should have been up front about what they did and the review sites should have noticed and pointed it out without being prompted by another website. If the time constraints are something we accept as a reality then we should accept that the cards should be tested at their max performance setting since they only have time for one setting.
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Not only this, but Jayz2cents also pointed out (which im shocked he did) That in a scenario where a bunch of different 1070/1080s from differenet AIBs are being reviewed, most users are going to just look at the graphs and see which one gives the best FPS. And even if MSI and Asus give out 1 extra FPS over other AIBs, the chances of them getting the sale are higher.

If the high performance setting on the cards gets them more FPS then I don't see what the problem is. It's not like the numbers the cards are getting aren't achievable on an off the shelf card. All of the test numbers on every 1080 review were achieved with higher than stated clock speeds, I have yet to see a 1080 that doesn't boost higher than it's rated boost speed.
Edited by bigjdubb - 6/18/16 at 5:22pm
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It was sent out in OC mode because that is the highest performance setting on the card, I am not debating that. My point is that even if the card was sent out in quiet mode it should still be tested in gaming and OC mode for the review. If the review was thorough and done properly the results would have been exactly the same with the addition of scores for quiet and gaming mode in the list.

To be honest what really rubbed me the wrong way was how much Asus and MSi seemed to care about that last <50MHz. I mean it's actually more understandable if there was a say 150MHz difference which could potentially offer >5% performance delta. But no here we have companies battling for literally the last 0.1%. And as looniam put it:
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we are on the same page except the bolded. to give a reasonable example:

OVERALL SUMMERY of GAMING

MSI (OC mode) 100%
Gigabyte . . . . . 99.8%
eVGA . . . . . . . 99.5%
MSI (gaming mode) 99.3%

both gigabyte and evga just lost some sales due to MSI's shenanigans. as you say, lots of people are dense with slick foreheads. they'll just look at numbers and think, "oooohhh bigger is better!" and buy that card. to think that isn't why those cards were sent out in OC mode is naive.

So that's my perspective basically.
post #94 of 100
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The only time constraints there should be on getting a review out is the one the sites place on themselves. If the manufacturers are placing a time constraint for the review unit they send out then the review sites should be noting that in their reviews. I wouldn't mind knowing which manufacturers are limiting how much time the sites get to do a proper review. My guess is that the time issue is one that is created by the site itself so that they aren't late to the party.

We accept this practice with all of our other news reporting so I guess it is acceptable with our tech news as well.

Asus and MSI should have been up front about what they did and the review sites should have noticed and pointed it out without being prompted by another website. If the time constraints are something we accept as a reality then we should accept that the cards should be tested at their max performance setting since they only have time for one setting.

if a site can afford to pay someone to do nothing but review graphics cards, yeah sure. but i believe the reality of it is quite different; not only do many go out and network with graphics manufacturers and AIB partners but they also wear many hats when it comes to the day to day business of just keeping the site existing such as editing/administration, advertising, site design and whatnot.

i've been bugging ryan smith at anandtech for a month now to follow up with his preview of the 1080. but everytime i turn around the guy is at another nvidia/ARM/gamer/AMD conference. i doubt he has seen his home very much, let alone the office for quite some time now.

i highly doubt there would be any review sites if they followed what everyone else thinks they should do. but if someone doesn't like how a site reviews cards the answer is simple - don't go there and ignore any news related to that/those site(s). lol i'd like to see the critics start their own site . .oh wait . . tek syndicate anyone? tongue.gif
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post #95 of 100
This has been going on for ages. And I am glad TPU was up front about it. But I agree, 50 mhz or less... probably isnt going to make much of a difference. But when people buy one card over another for the .01 % performance difference, I guess that matters.
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You see what's wrong with us?

We still buy their products, but we really shouldn't, because we are taken as idiots. Albeit most people on Overclock fall in a small percentage of consumer market that is smarter overall, but still....

Speak for yourself. I for one vote with my wallet at every opportunity. There are a few of us here that point out the state of idiocracy on a regular basis only to be squelched by the onslaught of posts by fanboys and shills rolleyes.gif
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Companies treat us like idiots, until someone speaks the truth about something that should be laid out in the open.

They still treat you like idiots even after being exposed because there are still plenty of fanboys and idiots around to defend them.

Case in point:
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As long as 100% of their cards can maintain that clock it's fine. Noise and temperatures are tested on the same OC too.
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Originally Posted by jmcosta View Post

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because one step boost will make any difference

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Originally Posted by bonami2 View Post

uh


what the point of that thread


the ref benchmark show stock performance.


The msi card and asus we want the higher factory clock benchmark anyways?


Who would downclock a 7970 ghz edition? That would be dumb

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This isn't really an issue with pascal with far less performance improvement per mhz compared to maxwell or any other architecture really.

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Originally Posted by bigjdubb View Post

It doesn't even matter since boost 3.0 took the card to 2050 mhz during testing, blowing the rated clock speeds out of the water. This is click bait, although the responses here make it easy to spot the mental midgets.

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It isn't a "new" way to over clock. MSI Afterburner has had the ability to switch between profiles for some time now. You can still overclock the enthusiast's way if you want. Or, If you would prefer to reboot your system to change to a manufacturers's predefined overclock, then keep your old card, that is fine too.
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This has been going on for ages. And I am glad TPU was up front about it. But I agree, 50 mhz or less... probably isnt going to make much of a difference. But when people buy one card over another for the .01 % performance difference, I guess that matters.
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If you want to show the high performance profile then you run two benchmarks. One stock, one on the high performance profile. End of story.
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Speak for yourself. I for one vote with my wallet at every opportunity. There are a few of us here that point out the state of

Point being is that NVIDIA still exists, and gets a pass every time. For all of it's tribulations, even for the VRAM gimp on 970.

Yet, it is still better than AMD in terms of raw performance. I really don't care what I buy, I owned both brands and went back and forth over the years.
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Point being is that NVIDIA still exists, and gets a pass every time. For all of it's tribulations, even for the VRAM gimp on 970.

Yet, it is still better than AMD in terms of raw performance. I really don't care what I buy, I owned both brands and went back and forth over the years.

Because AMD isn't guilty of bs? How about the promises of huge overclocking potential from the Fury X? Or the absolutely abysmal drivers during the 7 series? Or the massive microstutter that they had and swore up and down the street wasn't true? The massive hype surrounding bulldozer and the promises made with that?

What's more (assuming you're talking about this thread), how is this NVIDIA's fault? This is MSI and ASUS, WHO ALSO MAKE AMD CARDS.
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Because AMD isn't guilty of bs? How about the promises of huge overclocking potential from the Fury X? Or the absolutely abysmal drivers during the 7 series? Or the massive microstutter that they had and swore up and down the street wasn't true? The massive hype surrounding bulldozer and the promises made with that?

What's more (assuming you're talking about this thread), how is this NVIDIA's fault? This is MSI and ASUS, WHO ALSO MAKE AMD CARDS.

Another person that is missing my point...clearly
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