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I got you covered!
As you can see for the 580, the GPU is almost 60% of the total cost, with cooling coming in at around 16%, and ram at 13%.

I'm calling bull on those charts. There is no column dedicated to the corporate funding of JHH's leather jacket fetish.
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^ The type of guy who goes to the store and ask for just the GPU die, without the board and the cooling.

Imagine people being able to buy the GPUs and boards the same way we buy motherboards and CPUs.

That will make 3 slot GPU a standard. I'd rather pay more for soldered GPUs.
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I'm calling bull on those charts. There is no column dedicated to the corporate funding of JHH's leather jacket fetish.

What do you think the "Passives" column is for? biggrin.gif
post #134 of 177
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I got you covered!
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As you can see for the 580, the GPU is almost 60% of the total cost, with cooling coming in at around 16%, and ram at 13%.

Little dated but definitely reasonable. Still doesn't include R&D and other costs. Either way, Nvidia's gross margins for GPUs have been growing each generation. Nvidia's current gross margins are around 60% overall and are likely higher for their GPU division. a 60% gross margin means that for ever $1 they spend on creating a product, they charge $2.50
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Imagine people being able to buy the GPUs and boards the same way we buy motherboards and CPUs.

Used to be completely impractical due to the need for on-board vram for fast access. But now with HBM becoming available, this could theoretically be a thing if they wanted to actually head down that path.

I imagine you'd have 3 different sockets for the big, medium, and small dies, and each board could either come in different flavors to accommodate different power draws, or they could just over engineer the board for a one-size-fits-all type of solution, much like how mobos are these days anyway. Then stuff like display outputs could also be tailored to your liking.
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maybe, just maybe they want/need that kind of GPU power now (and not in 2017) and can afford it

crazy idea, I know

Yep, I can see a massive NEED for 10-15% more performance than a 980Ti. rolleyes.gif That 10-15% is really going take a game from unplayable to just perfect I bet...
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Again, quoting the raw material cost of a waffer or die and expecting a linear relationship to the price of the end-product, is similar to linking the price of a car to per weight cost of steel and aluminum.

16nm process is much harder to achieve. R&D for it to work with nVidia's and any other manufacturer's designs is not a matter of just shrinking what was already working for 40nm and 28nm. It is not a linear process, it is not cross-comparable to do "per-transistor-cost" calculations based on just the transistors squeezed per mm2.

And this is why - even if the $30 per die or w/e cost of the CPU itself is - the financials of nVIdia, which are public and available to any layman like me throught the easiest of google searches, lead to the table below:



Source: http://files.shareholder.com/downloads/AMDA-1XAJD4/2258185440x0xS1045810-16-205/1045810/filing.pdf

They make lots of money, sure, but most of it is thrown back into the company. They don't make 200% of profit for each GPU sold.
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These maxwell cards are still wayy overpriced. Let says the 1070 will be $379 at launch, make it $389 with dealer markup.... ok so $389. That card is about 25-26% faster than a GTX980 for $324.. If that's keeping in line with performance the 1070 would then be $405 not $379-389...

Don't expect 1070 for anything around $370 man (any time soon). Expect it in the range of $420-470.

Watch.
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They make lots of money, sure, but most of it is thrown back into the company. They don't make 200% of profit for each GPU sold.

You realize that the table that you are showing depicts a reduction in cost of revenue(higher gross margins) and a reduction in R&D budget relative to total revenues? If you add back the 2.6% for restructuring and misc that only shows up in 2016 back into income before taxes, the net income would actually be 14.8-14.9%. The table would shows the exact opposite of what you are trying to imply rolleyes.gif


Also, I never said 200% profits, I said 250% product markup...
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They make lots of money, sure, but most of it is thrown back into the company. They don't make 200% of profit for each GPU sold.

You realize that the table that you are showing depicts a reduction in cost of revenue(higher gross margins) and a reduction in R&D budget relative to total revenues? If you add back the 2.6% for restructuring and misc that only shows up in 2016 back into income before taxes, the net income would actually be 14.8-14.9%. The table would shows the exact opposite of what you are trying to imply rolleyes.gif


Also, I never said 200% profits, I said 250% product markup...

Ok, its hopeless... what am I trying to imply? That all the R&D for Pascal and the lithographic shrink came the last minute?
When did i give a % # for you to add 2.6% and "destroy my argument" as the other forum warriors achieved?

How can you claim that R&D that was paid for in 2014 is not capitalized upon in 2016? There is always a lag in investment overhead in those fields. What happens today was planned for years ahead.

As for the product markup, again, nVidia takes home a 12-15%. That's it. The "product" feeds all the OEMs and all the foundries and all their markups. They do not deliver the product directly to the end user.

When they will, and perhaps they could, they could have much higher margins, like Apple does, but even for them the actual markup of the iPhone when you compare mere production cost and you neglect R&D and marketing, is not looking at the trees and forgetting about the forest.

/topic for me. I am not trying to prove anything to anyone. Zip up gents. You pee too far for me. You won.
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