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Already sold my 980 and now on integrated hd4600 waiting for either 1070 or 480. biggrin.gif
    
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Here's the 970 beating the 780 ti by 3 fps at 1440p.

http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/far_cry_primal_pc_graphics_performance_benchmark_review,7.html
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Here is the 970 beating the 780 ti by 13 fps in doom @ 1440p

http://kotaku.com/doom-pc-benchmarks-not-hellish-at-all-1776755400
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I mean, if you look around at newer games the 970 beats the 780 ti every time. Now, remember, the 970 was rolling with the 780 when it first came out.

*The 780 ti beats the 970 in that Rainbow Six Siege game. Not one I was interested in so did not see those benchmarks.

TPU has 780 Ti and 970 tied in Far Cry Primal at 1440p:



I think it's fair to say they're within "margin of error" of each other. If you look at the review I was referring to, you'll see that apart from one or two titles, the 780 Ti and 970 are within 10% or less of each other across different resolutions.

If you look at the numbers for BF4 and Crysis 3 in that 1080 review vs TPU's 970 review when it first came out, you'll see the 970 and 780 Ti still occupy the same relative positions, with the 970 still trailing the 780 Ti. I think it's probably more accurate to say newer games are able to take advantage of Maxwell's hardware features that older games couldn't.
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Hell no, I have a feeling Nvidia are going to back stab 1080 owners very early on indeed. I doubt the 1080 will have been out 4months and something will already be coming down the pipeline for launch. Even more suspicious it won't be until August until you get your hands on a HB bridge, maybe there is a reason for this.
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What, may I ask, is this feeling based on?
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Based on previous generations, the time frame between a midrange card launch and the big chip has got shorter and shorter each generation. Maybe they won't wait long at all this time around. It's a gut feeling of mine...
And spending $700 on a midrange die with a 256bit interface is sensible? At least you get the best of the best at $1000, and you get a longer shelf life....

780 Launch Date: May 2013
780Ti Launch Date: November 2013

No need to go with your gut... It has happened before, and if Vega is pushed forward then so will the 1080Ti. Hawaii pushed Nvidia to release the 780Ti to cut AMD's legs off. But even with zero pressure from AMD the 980 to 980Ti gap was only 9 months.
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TPU has 780 Ti and 970 tied in Far Cry Primal at 1440p:



I think it's fair to say they're within "margin of error" of each other. If you look at the review I was referring to, you'll see that apart from one or two titles, the 780 Ti and 970 are within 10% or less of each other across different resolutions.

If you look at the numbers for BF4 and Crysis 3 in that 1080 review vs TPU's 970 review when it first came out, you'll see the 970 and 780 Ti still occupy the same relative positions, with the 970 still trailing the 780 Ti. I think it's probably more accurate to say newer games are able to take advantage of Maxwell's hardware features that older games couldn't.

That made me look up some older reviews when the cards first came out.

At 2560 x 1600 (1440p wasn't tested) the 970 lost by 10% to the 780 ti.

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ASUS/GTX_970_STRIX_OC/25.html
Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

Now at 2560 x 1440 the 970 wins by 1%.

https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_1080/26.html
Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)


Not as large of a gap as I thought it was by their benchmarks. Though the 970 did go from a 10% disadvantage to a 1% advantage in 2 years. So, if the 1070 currently has a small advantage over the 980 ti, then it's fair to expect that advantage to increase by the time the 1170's come out.

Personally pin the increased performance to newer games being able to better take advantage of the newer gpu's architect.


*I might have to look at those benchmarks deeper. I'd like to see if there are a few key games that skew the results.
     
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I keep hearing "Sell your 980Ti or Titan X" you'll lose value. And the rub is that there are alot of posters that assume everyone here is a broke college student and "Need" to sell their old cards before buying a new one or it's a "Stupid decision". I am financially comfortable, and could care less about a GPU I purchased over a year ago, this is Toy money. I'm not insecure about anything of this sort. I spend far more on other items that should be carefully monitored. It's not a house.

 

- Some may be close to their budgets, in which case you should do whatever you have to do to take care of family first. Get what you can afford "only", and then sure, if you choose, treat your GPU like a Stock Market commodity. (buy / sell, short sell :p)

 

- Some may have more than enough $ resources that any high end GPU purchase can be purchased and enjoyed and done with as they please, when they please, and those people likely are not insecure about (commodity trading their GPU) or insecure about what someone on a message board says , rushing them to trade-up Now! (GPU Salesmen, I always wonder if they live here :rolleyes:).

 

I don't get it, this is OCN, and the site regularly discusses high-end-tech (read expensive). So does it make sense that many talk like they are misers/scrooge, pinching every penny? I choose to believe that I never will know anyone else's financial situation and I will not try to make anyone feel insecure about their purchase. Make up your own damn mind and Grow up.:D 

 

I know this may offend some and their posting habits, and that's not my intention. Just stating what we all see here though through different lenses for sure.

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780 Launch Date: May 2013
780Ti Launch Date: November 2013

No need to go with your gut... It has happened before, and if Vega is pushed forward then so will the 1080Ti. Hawaii pushed Nvidia to release the 780Ti to cut AMD's legs off. But even with zero pressure from AMD the 980 to 980Ti gap was only 9 months.

780Ti and 780 are on the same chip(GK110), only difference is that yield became better on the large GK110 chip and Nvidia was able to enable all the extra shader cores on it(2304-> 2880) by November.

1080Ti will involve a different chip(GP102 ?) as the GP104 chip is already maxed out by GTX 1080( 2560 out of 2560 shader cores enabled) so the turn around time should be longer.

My guess is in 6 month we could see the Titan Y(GTX 980-> Titan X was 6 month) and another 3 month for 1080Ti.
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I keep hearing "Sell your 980Ti or Titan X" you'll lose value. And the rub is that there are alot of posters that assume everyone here is a broke college student and "Need" to sell their old cards before buying a new one or it's a "Stupid decision". I am financially comfortable, and could care less about a GPU I purchased over a year ago, this is Toy money. I'm not insecure about anything of this sort. I spend far more on other items that should be carefully monitored. It's not a house.

- Some may be close to their budgets, in which case you should do whatever you have to do to take care of family first. Get what you can afford "only", and then sure, if you choose, treat your GPU like a Stock Market commodity. (buy / sell, short sell tongue.gif )

- Some may have more than enough $ resources that any high end GPU purchase can be purchased and enjoyed and done with as they please, when they please, and those people likely are not insecure about (commodity trading their GPU) or insecure about what someone on a message board says , rushing them to trade-up Now! (GPU Salesmen, I always wonder if they live here rolleyes.gif ).

I don't get it, this is OCN, and the site regularly discusses high-end-tech (read expensive). So does it make sense that many talk like they are misers/scrooge, pinching every penny? I choose to believe that I never will know anyone else's financial situation and I will not try to make anyone feel insecure about their purchase. Make up your own damn mind and Grow up.biggrin.gif  

I know this may offend some and their posting habits, and that's not my intention. Just stating what we all see here though through different lenses for sure.

I'm in a similar situation. I make a good living. However; that doesn't preclude me from trying to get a good deal. Just because I can blow $800 on a video card I want doesn't mean I'm going to do it if the price seems too high for what I'm getting.

There's a difference between having 'plenty of cash' and being 'wealthy.' I'm no where near either, but I'm working towards wealth.
Edited by LancerVI - 6/16/16 at 3:24pm
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I'm in a similar situation. I make a good living. However; that doesn't preclude me from trying to get a good deal. Just because I can blow $800 on a video card I want doesn't mean I'm going to do it if the price seems too high for what I'm getting.

There's a difference between having 'plenty of cash' and being 'wealthy.' I'm no where near either, but I'm working towards wealth.

 

Exactly, you are making up your own mind I bet, and what's best for you. On your own terms. I wanted to just state that but went overboard lol.

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Yup. Watch what happens when Nvidia intentionally starts to neglect those cards with no driver updates.

780/Ti's all over again
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That made me look up some older reviews when the cards first came out.

At 2560 x 1600 (1440p wasn't tested) the 970 lost by 10% to the 780 ti.

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ASUS/GTX_970_STRIX_OC/25.html
Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

Now at 2560 x 1440 the 970 wins by 1%.

https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_1080/26.html
Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)


Not as large of a gap as I thought it was by their benchmarks. Though the 970 did go from a 10% disadvantage to a 1% advantage in 2 years. So, if the 1070 currently has a small advantage over the 980 ti, then it's fair to expect that advantage to increase by the time the 1170's come out.

Personally pin the increased performance to newer games being able to better take advantage of the newer gpu's architect.


*I might have to look at those benchmarks deeper. I'd like to see if there are a few key games that skew the results.

They changed from Windows 7 to Windows 10 for their testing sometime in late 2015, and also the test games suite is very different between the two, so hard to do a direct comparison. But like I said, of the common games that were tested, the 970 and 780 Ti stayed in the same relative positions.

If I had to guess, Maxwell is much stronger at tessellation, and has a better scheduler as well, so newer games might somehow be targeting those.
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I'm in a similar situation. I make a good living. However; that doesn't preclude me from trying to get a good deal. Just because I can blow $800 on a video card I want doesn't mean I'm going to do it if the price seems too high for what I'm getting.

There's a difference between having 'plenty of cash' and being 'wealthy.' I'm no where near either, but I'm working towards wealth.

Exactly!

It's funny, having been through the days of a broke college student and even broker grad student, you appreciate the value of money that much more. So even though I live much more comfortably now, I feel like I'm a lot more careful with my spending habits as well.
Edited by magnek - 6/16/16 at 3:39pm
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