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Comparing used a systems to new console prices... Not at all disingenuous... rolleyes.gif

Can pick up a used PS4 for under $250 or an Xbox One for under $150...

I'm not comparing anything, I'm saying people can build powerful RIGs that outperform any console, new/used, for way less than 400$, (Guess that could be a form of comparison) all able to run 1440p above 60 FPS in 99% of games, including the Witcher 3 and such without Gameworks effects and very high settings.

And I'm also saying that Polaris Launch will reduce that price to 299$. Also most people building these kind of RIGs already have an old RIG with an usable PSU, RAM, and components like the case and fans, so it'll go even cheaper than that.

I will be building a RIG for my father with a R9 290 that I'm replacing on my ITX build, his build will cost 179$ and it'll eat anything on 1440p, on an ITX case plugged to his Smart TV, in fact the most expensive thing on this build is his Xbox Controller, so go figure.
Edited by Dargonplay - 6/18/16 at 7:39pm
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~$300 is not a plausible gaming PC without extensive use of used or heavily discounted parts that may not be consistently available.

However, the $650 quoted from the chart posted will buy you a respectable mITX case, a good PSU, an i3-6300, a cheap 1151 board, 8-16GiB of DDR4, a 240GB SSD, and at least a GTX 960 (and possibly a Radeon 380X, 390, or even GTX 970) all new.

Of course, I think the sweet spot for a gaming PC is about $800-1000 of hardware, but corners can be cut that will result in the lower price and still give you a system that runs games with similar or better IQ at similar or better frame rates than consoles.
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37.5% new parts, doesn't affect my argument one bit, you can expect to get that kind of performance under 299$ after Polaris Launch.

 

Epic fail^

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I've never been an huge console fan, but the recent trend from Microsoft and Sony to just put on the market slightly powered up version of their systems makes me think that they are:

-out of ideas
-market is saturated by offer
-demand is dropping

seems like the whole industry is slowing down, almost to an halt.
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Unfortunately for Microsoft, they don't have any good exclusives (other than ReCore) to make me come back. And if Xbox Anywhere comes to every future release, there'll be zero incentive for any of us to want one of these. I'm just glad we'll start to get more demanding games to be honest. And hopefully they'll be properly optimized this time around since cross-platform play is a thing, finally.

with halo wars 2 coming out in fall you couldn't be more wrong.
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Whats with the sudden push for 4k after all the years of not even supporting 1080p? Almost 10 years not even caring about 1080p.

They even ignored the pc platform for how long, all devs, all claiming that there was no point making games with high fidelity as not many people would be able to play them and that designing games for console first and then scaling up was far more beneficial
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Whats with the sudden push for 4k after all the years of not even supporting 1080p? Almost 10 years not even caring about 1080p.

They even ignored the pc platform for how long, all devs, all claiming that there was no point making games with high fidelity as not many people would be able to play them and that designing games for console first and then scaling up was far more beneficial

1080p is dying in the TV market. Especially since 4K is so cheap now. Right now, I can buy a 48" LG 4K TV for £385. That's not too far off what I paid for my 32" 1080p LG TV around 5 years ago. It's estimated that by the end of 2017, over 25% of TVs sold will be 4K.

 

It would be pretty bad marketing for them to release an upgraded Xbone that can only do 1080p.

   
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I'm not comparing anything, I'm saying people can build powerful RIGs that outperform any console, new/used, for way less than 400$, (Guess that could be a form of comparison) all able to run 1440p above 60 FPS in 99% of games, including the Witcher 3 and such without Gameworks effects and very high settings.

And I'm also saying that Polaris Launch will reduce that price to 299$. Also most people building these kind of RIGs already have an old RIG with an usable PSU, RAM, and components like the case and fans, so it'll go even cheaper than that.

I will be building a RIG for my father with a R9 290 that I'm replacing on my ITX build, his build will cost 179$ and it'll eat anything on 1440p, on an ITX case plugged to his Smart TV, in fact the most expensive thing on this build is his Xbox Controller, so go figure.
It's completely ridiculous to factor in used parts prices (that will not always be readily available) and parts you already have.

You're making a ton of assumptions, like that someone looking to get into PC gaming already has an existing "rig". Most people have tablets and laptops, which would have no usable components for a desktop gaming PC build. If they do have a desktop, it's probably some MicroATX slimline case with a propriety 150 watt power supply - both useless to a desktop gaming PC build. Sure Windows 10 is "free", only if you have a CD-key for Windows 7/8 already, and if you only have a tablet, you will not have a Windows 7 CD-Key.

Your examples using used/gifted parts are even more laughable. Your dad's build will only cost $179 because you're giving him your used R9 290? Well, I can get an Xbone One for $0.00 because my friend gave it to me when he got a PS4, therefore the minimum to get into console gaming is $0.00. What kind of logic is that?

For $400 NEW, you can get the entire PS4/XBone that comes with everything you need to get started. For $175-250, you can buy a complete PS4/XBone used with everything you need to get started.
Edited by AmericanLoco - 6/19/16 at 7:42am
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1080p is dying in the TV market. Especially since 4K is so cheap now. Right now, I can buy a 48" LG 4K TV for £385. That's not too far off what I paid for my 32" 1080p LG TV around 5 years ago. It's estimated that by the end of 2017, over 25% of TVs sold will be 4K.

It would be pretty bad marketing for them to release an upgraded Xbone that can only do 1080p.


They released a console that can only do 720 on avg and 1080 as an exception, with the X1. When 1080p was coming out, they released consoles that could only do sub 720p and no one cared.

Honestly, this 4k nonsense is so tiring. Id much rather better gfx all round with bigger games and better ai with better animations @ 60+ fps at 1440p then sub par looking games, stupid ai, asset/texture pop in @ 30 fps at 4k.


Gaming has become such a disappointment. The same boring drivel with the same boring lifeless ai with a bunch of rinse and repeat missions.

Completely over it tbh. Time to find a new hobby, i think, one that requires actual effort and actually stimulates the ol grey matter.
Edited by LoLomgbbq - 6/19/16 at 7:42am
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I've never been an huge console fan, but the recent trend from Microsoft and Sony to just put on the market slightly powered up version of their systems makes me think that they are:

-out of ideas
-market is saturated by offer
-demand is dropping

seems like the whole industry is slowing down, almost to an halt.

Its very clear that the future of the consoles is going to be more PC like with the advantages of 100% backward compatibility for atleast two successive generations Eg: Scorpio and XB1. The fact that the consoles are all x86 based guarantees backward compatibility (CPU side) with older generations as we are seeing with Scorpio and XB1. Both Scorpio and XB1 also share a GCN based GPU architecture though there are significant improvements in Scorpio. I think the cost for new chip design and tapeout is very expensive at bleeding edge nodes and both Sony and MS will take whatever CPU/GPU architecture AMD can provide at a given point in time. That is why we are seeing MS and Sony use Vega/Polaris instead of going for a dumb shrink of their current console APU.
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