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Honestly, this 4k nonsense is so tiring. Id much rather better gfx all round with bigger games and better ai with better animations @ 60+ fps at 1440p then sub par looking games, stupid ai, asset/texture pop in @ 30 fps at 4k.
Unfortunately, there are no 1440p TV's i'm aware of. So, it's either 1080p or 4K for you.

Also, i don't think they wanted to release a weak XBOne that could barely do 1080p. They simply didn't have the hardware available, but they still wanted to release a console. Polaris clearly addresses the problem of performance/price, at least by 2017's end.
    
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$650 for a computer that beats consoles, riiiiiight. Does that include monitor, keyboard, mouse, headphones/speakers?

Polaris goes a long way to making it a reality, but the OS cuts off $100 right there, and $550 in parts + shipping + tax... I'm not too certain of that number.

Depends if you count your TV, stereo, extra controller(s), towards the cost of a console.

If you built a "steam machine" with windows in it and bought a single X-box One controller to hook up in your living room and function as an x-box replacement via the windows 10 store, you should be able to build a set-up that's comparable to what Scorpio will be today for around $700 to $800.

TVs can be the same price as a monitor, so we'll just null that.

Extra controllers don't count, the kb/mouse is not "extra".

No one asked what Scorpio would be in this quote log. If you include Windows, you have a $550 budget that includes kb/mouse that needs to match the current consoles.
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$650 for a computer that beats consoles, riiiiiight. Does that include monitor, keyboard, mouse, headphones/speakers?

Polaris goes a long way to making it a reality, but the OS cuts off $100 right there, and $550 in parts + shipping + tax... I'm not too certain of that number.
All of those "$500 Gaming PC" builds either leave the OS out, utilize used parts, or use very low end super cheap cases and power supplies. I love how these comparisons are all made based on PC games costing $40, when nearly every AAA PC game I've seen released is also $60 - even on Steam.

Agreed.

PC does have a lot more completely free games (TF2, DOTA, League, etc) that have massive replay to counter the $60 games. Consoles do not tend to have those.
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Does that include monitor, keyboard, mouse, headphones/speakers?
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I love how these comparisons are all made based on PC games costing $40, when nearly every AAA PC game I've seen released is also $60 - even on Steam.

If you are paying full retail for PC games....

So you have no idea what it cost to build a computer and you pirate everything. Understood.

I will have to note that I can not tell when you are sarcasming. As such, you look like an idiot when you completely counter what you say. If you were throwing that graph as satire, you should work harder to make that understood.
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$650 for a computer that beats consoles, riiiiiight. Does that include monitor, keyboard, mouse, headphones/speakers?

Most consoles don't include display or audio devices either, only one or two input devices.

$650 has been able to buy the chassis and the contents needed to match or best current consoles at similar quality settings, in most games that can be directly compared, since shortly after the consoles were released.

You don't get $650. You get $550. Even if we assume they'll both go off a TV for audio/video, consoles come with a controller and PCs do not.

Build a $550 PC that competes with a KB/Mouse. I'll wait here for the trash parts you select (because you will be forced to, not because you want to) to try and meet that quota.
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$650 for a computer that beats consoles, riiiiiight. Does that include monitor, keyboard, mouse, headphones/speakers?

Polaris goes a long way to making it a reality, but the OS cuts off $100 right there, and $550 in parts + shipping + tax... I'm not too certain of that number.

What? People still paying more than 400$ to play at 150+ FPS 1080p Maxed out PC Games? Jesus.

That's 380$ and can be had for even less, you can absolutely get the monitor, Keyboard, Mouse and much more with 600$, and I find it funny you don't mention that with consoles you also need a TV, and with a PC you can also use a TV, making that point moot.

Now with Polaris instead of 380$ you can expect around 299$ for the same build, for a build that can already do 1440p just fine, and expect an updated 385$ capable of 4K, I'm not even joking.
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All of those "$500 Gaming PC" builds either leave the OS out, utilize used parts, or use very low end super cheap cases and power supplies. I love how these comparisons are all made based on PC games costing $40, when nearly every AAA PC game I've seen released is also $60 - even on Steam.

Windows 10 is free if you have any Vista, 7 or 8 Key, they are basically everywhere.

These are used parts yes, but how is this a downside? PC components can no problem survive a 2 meters fall, seen it with CPUs and GPUs, they wont just die after 3 years of use, not even with heavy overclocking, but then these Xeons weren't used for overclocking but server usage with durability in mind.

And hell no, these are definitely not super cheap parts, Yes, they are super cheap Now, but they were 350$ just 2 years ago, Xeons don't maintain their values despite being the same chip as Intel's mainstream i3, i5 and i7 lines because of no marketing, no demand (uneducated users) and the fact that Intel really don't want the mainstream market on Xeons basically.

What? Steam? LMAO, with all due respect, with my over 3000$ of steam games I've purchased 2 of those games on Steam, G2A for life babe, I got Overwatch Origins for 35$ before it even launched, which retails for 59$ on Battle.net, I also got MKX for 1$ and I don't remember ever paying more than 39$ for a game that just launched.

CONCLUSION: THIS 380$ PC RUNS EVERYTHING AT 1080P, COD BLACK OPS 150 FPS HIGH GRAPHICS NP WHILE STILL USING 50% OF NEW PARTS INFLATING ITS PRICE.

I actually went to PCPP to try and make his rig.

Turns out you can't because all of it is used and not on the market anymore. Oh well.

The CPU alone is $110 on Newegg, the GPU... 7970s are all out of stock so I tried 280X. Same. R9-380 it is, $200. That's over half your budget. You simply can not get an x58 motherboard new that isn't $200+, so you're over budget.

Failed. Try again.
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~$300 is not a plausible gaming PC without extensive use of used or heavily discounted parts that may not be consistently available.

However, the $650 quoted from the chart posted will buy you a respectable mITX case, a good PSU, an i3-6300, a cheap 1151 board, 8-16GiB of DDR4, a 240GB SSD, and at least a GTX 960 (and possibly a Radeon 380X, 390, or even GTX 970) all new.

Of course, I think the sweet spot for a gaming PC is about $800-1000 of hardware, but corners can be cut that will result in the lower price and still give you a system that runs games with similar or better IQ at similar or better frame rates than consoles.

Assuming you run linux and/or pirate Windows, yes.

Otherwise, agreed.
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I actually went to PCPP to try and make his rig.

Turns out you can't because all of it is used and not on the market anymore. Oh well.

The CPU alone is $110 on Newegg, the GPU... 7970s are all out of stock so I tried 280X. Same. R9-380 it is, $200. That's over half your budget. You simply can not get an x58 motherboard new that isn't $200+, so you're over budget.

Failed. Try again.

Never thought that looking for PC parts would beat anyone in OCN, here let me help you.

GPU 100$ or less.: R9 290:

CPU 15$ (This Xeon CPU have IPC comparable to Haswell): Intel Xeon E5640 for Buy and For Bid (Cheaper)

RAM (NEW) 28$: G.SKILL Ripjaws X DDR3 8GB NEW


PSU (Almost New lol) 12$: Apevia Java 650W LED Power Supply

CPU Cooler (NEW) 29.99$: ZALMAN CNPS10X Extreme

SSD (NEW) 52$: 240GB SSD

MOTHERBOARD 60$: MSI X58 LGA 1366//Socket B

CASE (NEW) 35$: Kurosaki Case (If you want the same from the video although there are many other alternatives, even cheaper)

TOTAL BUILD: 330$, like really bro? 1440p/4K for 330$, how can anyone even begin to formulate a complaint about this? I, you and everyone can buy all of this right now, I actually bought some of them for a build I'm doing for the living room TV.

As you can see, you're the one who needs to try harder, good thing I did all the looking for you.
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~$300 is not a plausible gaming PC without extensive use of used or heavily discounted parts that may not be consistently available.

This build above is even cheaper for 330$ and up to 40% FASTER than the one in the video I posted, all the while consisting of 50% NEW parts, and all of the parts are consistently available, as far as I know they've been consistently available for the past several months.
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Epic fail^

Do elaborate please, or reality ate your tongue? ( or Fingers, because you're using a keyboard, one that you can use for this build btw, hell I bet this build for 330$ is better than most of you guys 900$ builds)
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It's completely ridiculous to factor in used parts prices (that will not always be readily available) and parts you already have.

You're making a ton of assumptions, like that someone looking to get into PC gaming already has an existing "rig".

Half of this build is NEW, and the other half don't have any availability issues, you're trying to make up problems where there aren't any, also please do tell me, what part I'm using that I already have?

I'm not making any assumption, this build for less than 340$ is 40% more powerful than the one posted in the video for 385$, 5 times more powerful than consoles all the while using 50% of NEW parts and anyone without a single piece of technology in their house can buy this entire PC right now with the links I've provided, so I don't get what you mean by "Assumptions".
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Seems like Polaris 10 in the upcoming Xbox.

Cool, more rocks and god rays for those 30 fps games.
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I actually went to PCPP to try and make his rig.

Turns out you can't because all of it is used and not on the market anymore. Oh well.

The CPU alone is $110 on Newegg, the GPU... 7970s are all out of stock so I tried 280X. Same. R9-380 it is, $200. That's over half your budget. You simply can not get an x58 motherboard new that isn't $200+, so you're over budget.

Failed. Try again.

Never thought that looking for PC parts would beat anyone in OCN, here let me help you.

GPU 100$ or less.: R9 290:

CPU 15$ (This Xeon CPU have IPC comparable to Haswell): Intel Xeon E5640 for Buy and For Bid (Cheaper)

RAM (NEW) 28$: G.SKILL Ripjaws X DDR3 8GB NEW


PSU (Almost New lol) 12$: Apevia Java 650W LED Power Supply

CPU Cooler (NEW) 29.99$: ZALMAN CNPS10X Extreme

SSD (NEW) 52$: 240GB SSD

MOTHERBOARD 60$: MSI X58 LGA 1366//Socket B

CASE (NEW) 35$: Kurosaki Case (If you want the same from the video although there are many other alternatives, even cheaper)

TOTAL BUILD: 338$, like really bro? 1440p/4K for 338$, how can anyone even begin to formulate a complaint about this? I, you and everyone can buy all of this right now, I actually bought some of them for a build I'm doing for the living room TV.

As you can see, you're the one who needs to try harder, good thing I did all the looking for you.
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~$300 is not a plausible gaming PC without extensive use of used or heavily discounted parts that may not be consistently available.

This build above is even cheaper for 338$ and up to 40% FASTER than the one in the video I posted, all the while consisting of 50% NEW parts, and all of the parts are consistently available, as far as I know they've been consistently available for the past several months.
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Epic fail^

Do elaborate please, or reality ate your tongue? ( or Fingers, because you're using a keyboard that you can use for this build btw, hell I bet this build for 338$ is better than most of you builds for 800$)
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It's completely ridiculous to factor in used parts prices (that will not always be readily available) and parts you already have.

You're making a ton of assumptions, like that someone looking to get into PC gaming already has an existing "rig".

Half of this build is NEW, and the other half don't have any availability issues, you're trying to make up problems where there aren't any, also please do tell me, what part I'm using that I already have?

I'm not making any assumption, this build for less than 340$ is 40% more powerful than the one posted in the video for 385$, 5 times more powerful than consoles all the while using 50% of NEW parts and anyone without a single piece of technology in their house can buy this entire PC right now with the links I've provided, so I don't get what you mean by "Assumptions".

lachen.gif

You cited eBay. We're done here. That is not a sustainable source for anyone, it's a one-off.

And oh god that PSU. I'm crying here. Are you building a PC or a bomb? kookoo.gif Doesn't matter I guess, with just 11 hours on the clock, no one you recommend to get it will be able to.

Does your budget include shipping btw?
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You cited eBay. We're done here. That is not a sustainable source for anyone, it's a one-off.

Excellente cope out for people when proved wrong.

Just so you know, 3 Links were from NEW Amazon products and one from Newegg selling on eBay, also NEW. eBay is more than a sustainable source for anyone, it's also a sustainable source of sales for Newegg, Amazon and other E-Tailers.

And btw, you already had the ability to build this for the last several weeks, and it always gets cheaper with time, compared to the one in the video now you can get 40% more performance for 14% less price, how about that?

I think you're just frustrated to accept that my 330$ RIG can beat down yours, which probably cost around 1000$, it's understandable, but please don't let that rage cloud your judgement for making objective decisions for the future.
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Build it and lets bench. If it catches fire I win. biggrin.gif

Your signature "Forge" build would certainly be above my 330$ build for around 25% extra performance, but it costed you what, 3500$? Not saying there's an issue with that, my first Enthusiast PC (just 2 PC Gens ago with the HD 7970 just released) was 3000$ so I understand.

Your Anvil build however already lost, and by a factor of 5 smile.gif

Your Anvil build can't even compare to my 330$ BEAST, as mine is around 400% faster than yours and for a third of the price? Don't feel bad, feel happy because you can now make better purchases with this knowledge, also it is a little unfair considering that you surely bought this hardware a year or two ago, you should accept that hardware gets old and that now you can get 4 times more performance from 330$ than you could before from 1000$+ in your Anvil build, remember, anger leads nowhere but to stomach pains smile.gif
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lachen.gif

You cited eBay. We're done here. That is not a sustainable source for anyone, it's a one-off.

Excellente cope out for people when proved wrong.

Just so you know, 3 Links were from Amazon and one from Newegg selling on eBay. eBay is more than a sustainable source for anyone, it's also a sustainable source of sales for Newegg, Amazon and other E-Tailers.

And btw, you already had the ability to build this for the last several weeks, and it always gets cheaper with time, compared to the one in the video now you can get 40% more performance for 14% less price, how about that?

I think you're just frustrated to accept that my 330$ RIG can beat down yours, which probably cost around 1000$, it's understandable, but please don't let that rage cloud your judgement for making objective decisions.

Build it and lets bench. If it catches fire I win. biggrin.gif
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1080p is dying in the TV market. Especially since 4K is so cheap now. Right now, I can buy a 48" LG 4K TV for £385. That's not too far off what I paid for my 32" 1080p LG TV around 5 years ago. It's estimated that by the end of 2017, over 25% of TVs sold will be 4K.

It would be pretty bad marketing for them to release an upgraded Xbone that can only do 1080p.
1080p is dying true,but you're not getting anything decent for less than 500/600 EUR that's probably 450 GBP. Those LG's TV's you quoted use a RGBW pixel structure,means they have only 1/3 of the pixels of true 4K.
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Excellente cope out for people when proved wrong.
pls just stop. The only person who is wrong here is you. Either you do apples to apples or nothing. You can buy a used PS4 for 200/250 bucks. I picked up a flawless one with 1 year and something of warranty left and Black Ops 3 off ebay for 250 bucks. What do you build with that? Nothing.

Wanna go off MSRP and new parts? Okay then,i will just lay an estimate:

i3 : 100-130 bucks , 50 for a motherboard,40 for 2x4 GB of DDR3
VGA: 150-200 for a GTX 950/960 - R9 380/380X
Case: 50 for a decent case,50 for a decent PSU
OS: 50 bucks

Missing HDD,KBM and monitor wich you can recycle.

Total? 530 bucks average.

PS4? 300-350 bucks with a game.

And did you actually realize you linked an item from Amazon Japan right? lachen.gif
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1080p is dying true,but you're not getting anything decent for less than 500/600 EUR that's probably 450 GBP. Those LG's TV's you quoted use a RGBW pixel structure,means they have only 1/3 of the pixels of true 4K.
pls just stop. The only person who is wrong here is you. Either you do apples to apples or nothing. You can buy a used PS4 for 200/250 bucks. I picked up a flawless one with 1 year and something of warranty left and Black Ops 3 off ebay for 250 bucks. What do you build with that? Nothing.

Wanna go off MSRP and new parts? Okay then,i will just lay an estimate:

i3 : 100-130 bucks , 50 for a motherboard,40 for 2x4 GB of DDR3
VGA: 150-200 for a GTX 950/960 - R9 380/380X
Case: 50 for a decent case,50 for a decent PSU
OS: 50 bucks

Missing HDD,KBM and monitor wich you can recycle.

Total? 530 bucks average.

PS4? 300-350 bucks with a game.

And did you actually realize you linked an item from Amazon Japan right? lachen.gif

Yes, and you do realize that I said and I quote "(If you want the same case from the video although there are many other alternatives, even cheaper)" and guess what, you can only get it from Amazon Japan.

Also whats up with the missing HDD? The build I posted already have an SSD, a NEW SSD by the way, did you missed it because you don't like facts? With 250$ I can change the CPU because of the motherboard for that Xeon being expensive, saving around 40$, while also changing the GPU to a HD 7970 instead of the R9 290, saving another 30$ for a total of 260$, same of an used console while still being able to outperform a PS4 NEO, let alone a PS4, like really bro?

Or I could just keep the R9 290 and the same Xeon + Motherboard and just get an used 250GB SSDs, used DDR3 RAM and a used CPU cooler instead of the NEW retail ones on my 330$ list, with that alone I can drop the price down to around 250$, while still performing beyond anything the PS4 NEO could ever be capable of dreaming, let alone the PS4 and still having room to buy a NEW case instead of an USED one that could drop the price another 10$.

I'm deeply sorry to burst your bubble.

Please, go buy an used console for 299$ if you want, for the same price I'll be rocking a R9 290 with 4 times the power with an actual Xeon that OCes in Average to 4GHz and have better than Sandy Bridge IPC, you people never cease to amaze me.
Edited by Dargonplay - 6/19/16 at 12:44pm
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Yes, and you do realize that I said and I quote "(If you want the same case from the video although there are many other alternatives, even cheaper)" and guess what, you can only get it from Amazon Japan.

Also whats up with missing HDD? It already have an SSD, a NEW SSD by the way, did you missed it because you don't like facts?

Please, go buy an used console for 299$ if you want, for the same price I'll be rocking a R9 290 with 4 times the power with an actual Xeon that OCes in Average to 4GHz and have better than Sandy Bridge IPC, you people never cease to amaze me.
Or, I could just buy a new PS4 $400 which comes will a full warranty and factory support - unlike your cobbled together mess of new and used parts.

Your build has several huge faults:
1: Half the stuff doesn't have a warranty, or any kind of support - the PS4 has a full one year warranty and support
2. You STILL haven't factored in an operating system.
3. Your $15 power supply is absolute garbage, and will likely fail destroying the system. The PS4's PSU is extremely high quality with top-shelf components and manufactured by Delta, who arguably makes some of the best and most reliable power supplies in the world.
4. Your whole build revolves around the price of an R9 290 in auction that still has an entire day left! R9 290s end auction at around $150-160, with the cheapest buy-it-now cards being $180. That alone throws your entire budget out the window.
Edited by AmericanLoco - 6/19/16 at 12:48pm
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