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There's no point in that. May as well label them as 1080p,upscaling does not hold a candle to real 4K and it's not even necessary for the game to upscale since most TV's already do it.

Yeah, there is. 30 vs 60 fps. Huge difference. Every time a PS4 game is 60 fps, they hype it. Many gamers know 30 fps is bad, which is why many games are 60 fps in MP (Uncharted 4 to name one).

PS4 Neo is nowhere near powerful enough to deliver native UHD gaming anyway. Only in indie games / less demanding games.

The 4K part is probably just for UI/video/streaming. Which makes sense, since it has HDMI 2.0 and a 4K Bluray Drive and many uses PS for movie playback.
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Yeah, there is. 30 vs 60 fps. Huge difference. Every time a PS4 game is 60 fps, they hype it. Many gamers know 30 fps is bad, which is why many games are 60 fps in MP (Uncharted 4 to name one).

PS4 Neo is nowhere near powerful enough to deliver native UHD gaming anyway. Only in indie games / less demanding games.

The 4K part is probably just for UI/video/streaming. Which makes sense, since it has HDMI 2.0 and a 4K Bluray Drive and many uses PS for movie playback.

The neo/scorpio wont be no where powerful enough to do native UHD 4k but people on this forum/youtube hyping it like it will..
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Yes, but resolution and framerate isn't everything.

The Order looks better in screenshots, and its use of MSAA is great, but it epitomizes static. Practically everything is baked - much worse than DOOM. Uncharted has great physics and interaction with water and foliage.

Cut out the 'peasant' stuff...

'Hundreds of PC Games' is hyperbole. Are there even that many games that look on par with Uncharted at any resolution? and it's not objective. Resolution and framerate increases have diminishing returns.

Yes, but resolution and framerate isn't everything = The exact reason why i dont game on my console. Since the first time i seen skyrim on a 1080p monitor at 60fps i ditched the xb 360 and even now im playing it on a 4k monitor at 60fps and with it coming to the xb1 lol it doesnt compare..

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Yeah, there is. 30 vs 60 fps. Huge difference.
That's ok,but it still makes no sense if you want to play in 4K. 4K upscaled is not the same as 4K. The only game that used upscaling recently was Quantum Break and it was blurry as hell.

Neo aside,wich has nothing to do here,it looks like somehow MS will pack enough power to play at 4K 30 FPS in most games and 4K 60 FPS in less demanding games.

Phil Spencer said that you shouldn't get a Xbox Scorpio if you don't have a UHD TV,and that you should get a Xbox One instead.
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Yeah, there is. 30 vs 60 fps. Huge difference. Every time a PS4 game is 60 fps, they hype it. Many gamers know 30 fps is bad, which is why many games are 60 fps in MP (Uncharted 4 to name one).

PS4 Neo is nowhere near powerful enough to deliver native UHD gaming anyway. Only in indie games / less demanding games.

The 4K part is probably just for UI/video/streaming. Which makes sense, since it has HDMI 2.0 and a 4K Bluray Drive and many uses PS for movie playback.

The neo/scorpio wont be no where powerful enough to do native UHD 4k but people on this forum/youtube hyping it like it will..

Anything that's optimized to run at 4K will run perfectly at 4K. People love to act like "All Maximum Graphics!" Is the only option developers have.
I'm running Just Cause 3 at 4K reasonably well with a 980Ti, all Avalanche has to do is a few tweaks and it will run swimmingly on Scorpio. Sometimes the landscapes in that game look shockingly good at 4K, I think consumers are in for a real treat if/when JC3 gets a Scorpio edition, and even if you are downscaling by 20-25% from 4K (as I usually do in DOOM to keep a steady 100fps) it's still a huge upgrade from HD resolutions.
Really if the average PS Neo game runs at 3K resolution I'm perfectly fine with that, it's still a massive improvement, and developers who really feel 4K is right for their game can always optimize more.
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Yes, but resolution and framerate isn't everything = The exact reason why i dont game on my console. Since the first time i seen skyrim on a 1080p monitor at 60fps i ditched the xb 360 and even now im playing it on a 4k monitor at 60fps and with it coming to the xb1 lol it doesnt compare..

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Fair enough. The only point I'm making is that some aspects of graphics are independent of resolution and framerate. In the end, it's all obviously going to come down personal taste. Although, there is the matter of PS4s + HDTV costing 1/3 or 1/4 or less of what a capable 4K gaming PC + monitor costs.
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Anything that's optimized to run at 4K will run perfectly at 4K. People love to act like "All Maximum Graphics!" Is the only option developers have.
I'm running Just Cause 3 at 4K reasonably well with a 980Ti, all Avalanche has to do is a few tweaks and it will run swimmingly on Scorpio. Sometimes the landscapes in that game look shockingly good at 4K, I think consumers are in for a real treat if/when JC3 gets a Scorpio edition, and even if you are downscaling by 20-25% from 4K (as I usually do in DOOM to keep a steady 100fps) it's still a huge upgrade from HD resolutions.
Really if the average PS Neo game runs at 3K resolution I'm perfectly fine with that, it's still a massive improvement, and developers who really feel 4K is right for their game can always optimize more.

But its consoles..Dont expect for scorp/neo to be native 4k and even if it does its going to be 30fps and low AA and low settings...Eh no thanks sorry
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it's not like PS4\X1 are handling 1080p perfectly

almost every PS4 game looks like it's running 1080p with 90% resulotion scaling

yeah 4k with 6.5TFlops is kinda of a joke
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it's not like PS4\X1 are handling 1080p perfectly

almost every PS4 game looks like it's running 1080p with 90% resulotion scaling

yeah 4k with 6.5TFlops is kinda of a joke

I know right and people thinking the xb scorp/neo going to magical do 4k native..More like upscaled 4k from 1080p/1440p maybe....Just my opinion but we know how console devs lie and they have people dancing around the room thinking these machines going to be beast when they really not...
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That's ok,but it still makes no sense if you want to play in 4K. 4K upscaled is not the same as 4K. The only game that used upscaling recently was Quantum Break and it was blurry as hell.

Neo aside,wich has nothing to do here,it looks like somehow MS will pack enough power to play at 4K 30 FPS in most games and 4K 60 FPS in less demanding games.

Phil Spencer said that you shouldn't get a Xbox Scorpio if you don't have a UHD TV,and that you should get a Xbox One instead.

In that case, the new Scorpio will probably have worse IQ than the old, because they need to remove/decrease demanding graphical settings to archieve 30 fps in native 4K. Such as shadows, view distance, AO etc.

I would choose upscaled 1080p/1440p with 60 fps any day. Upscaling can be flawless and just as sharp, if done correctly. Many PC games does it just fine, with no blurriness at all.

It would be a(nother) stupid decision from Microsoft, if they aim for native 4K on that hardware...
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