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Originally Posted by BiG StroOnZ View Post

You say even $300 was too much. He said $230 + $50 = $280 which is still right around $300 mark.


So literally for $50 more you are just about at the $300 mark. This is assuming you want the 8GB AIB partner versions.

$300 is a pretty extreme markup for a better cooler and 4GB vram.

I was saying that if it goes over $280 something is wrong. $280 and $300 are different numbers although you might think differently.

Maybe I should've said $270 then it would be a difference enough for people to recognize?
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Originally Posted by ZealotKi11er View Post

I know AIB are more for $380 but the Worse 1070 will still be faster then the best 480.

Nope, it is evident the more money we can throw at a 480 the more 1070 performance we will get.

Seriously though I agree with you.
post #1162 of 2870
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Originally Posted by Waitng4realGPU View Post

$300 is a pretty extreme markup for a better cooler and 4GB vram.

I was saying that if it goes over $280 something is wrong. $280 and $300 are different numbers although you might think differently.

Maybe I should've said $270 then it would be a difference enough for people to recognize?

I think you think differently if you think there's such a big difference between $280 and $300 that's only a 7% difference in price.
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Originally Posted by BiG StroOnZ View Post

I think you think differently if you think there's a difference between $280 and $300 that's a 7% difference in price.

But it's a cheap bang for buck card that is slowly creeping up and up in price in people's minds and they are fine with it.

I run an AMD card, and I'll be buying another AMD card, but this kind of thing is called gouging when it's Nvidia but suddenly we are allowing ourselves to pay huge % amounts extra for AIB 480's?

Are we forgetting this starts as a $200 card?

You've lost me.
Edited by Waitng4realGPU - 6/21/16 at 6:33pm
post #1164 of 2870
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Originally Posted by Waitng4realGPU View Post


But it's a cheap bang for buck card that is slowly creeping up and up in price in people's minds and they are fine with it.

I run an AMD card, and I'll be buying another AMD card, but this kind of thing is called gouging when it's Nvidia but suddenly we are allowing ourselves to pay huge % amounts extra for AIB 480's?

Are we forgetting this starts as a $200 card?

You've lost me.

You are forgetting about the speculation that is taking place, responsible for these price increases. Which I don't understand why you are getting so bent out of shape over.

If the $300 card offers 20-25% improvement, for 30% higher price why is that such a problem? Offering a card with more performance for more money is quite good business practice for people who are not limited strictly to a $200-230 budget but are not willing to pay $400 or more for a 1070 (where's the in-between product stack here?). AMD has to compete with NVIDIA in some way. Because not long from now NVIDIA will have a 1060 and 1050, then what happens? They release after Polaris so NVIDIA knows the performance targets they have to hit to be faster and the prices that have to be set to be a better offering. So here offering 390X performance for $200 is great and all but the used market for 290X's has been going for $200 for quite some time now. AMD really needs to stick it to NVIDIA now while they have the chance.

All we are doing is predicting the possible performance increases from overclocking, and what the prices will be for AIB cards that surpass stock performance by a lot.
Edited by BiG StroOnZ - 6/21/16 at 7:04pm
post #1165 of 2870
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Originally Posted by Waitng4realGPU View Post

But it's a cheap bang for buck card that is slowly creeping up and up in price in people's minds and they are fine with it.

I run an AMD card, and I'll be buying another AMD card, but this kind of thing is called gouging when it's Nvidia but suddenly we are allowing ourselves to pay huge % amounts extra for AIB 480's?

Are we forgetting this starts as a $200 card?

You've lost me.
With NV, you have no cheap reference versions and the AIB versions don't overclock well They're barely any better than the awful FEs so far.. There will still be $230 RX 480s, and probably cheap AIB versions that are a substantial upgrade. We should just wait and see.
post #1166 of 2870
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Originally Posted by BiG StroOnZ View Post


You are forgetting about the speculation that is taking place, responsible for these price increases. Which I don't understand why you are getting so bent out of shape over.

If the $300 card offers 20-25% improvement, for 30% higher price why is that such a problem? Offering a card with more performance for more money is quite good business practice for people who are not limited strictly to a $200-230 budget but are not willing to pay $400 or more for a 1070 (where's the in-between product stack here?). AMD has to compete with NVIDIA in some way. Because not long from now NVIDIA will have a 1060 and 1050, then what happens? It releases after Polaris so NVIDIA knows the performance targets they have to hit to be faster and the prices that have to be set to be a better offering. So here offering 390X performance for $200 is great and all but the used market for 290X's has been going for $200 for quite some time now. AMD really needs to stick it to NVIDIA now while they have the chance.

All we are doing is predicting the possible performance increases from overclocking, and what the prices will be for AIB cards that surpass stock performance by a lot.

 

Exactly. These threads are all speculation until something concrete arrives anyway, so why not indulge? There is a smorgasbord of tantalising what-if's and could-be's out there and postulating on them is simply human nature. It's not advocating for random prices, it's discussing what could happen given x or y.

     
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post #1167 of 2870
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If the $300 card offers 20-25% improvement, for 30% higher price why is that such a problem?

I just don't understand why AMD would intentionally underclock/underpower their cards to the point where they can only charge less for it.

I'll speculate for the sake of it..........

$199-$229 reference - Might top out at 1400-1450mhz with a 6 pin?

$229-$299 - Better power delivery, extra 6 pin - maybe top out at 1450-1550

$300-$350 480? - Supreme components and cooler - Might top out at 1550-1650mhz?

I just can't see where such an expensive card is going to fit in or be worth it to anyone.

Even if you got a terrible reference card (we already know they run cool enough not to throttle) there is no way you're going to get 20% performance gain out of an uber card.

My numbers are a pretty generous assumption of the kind of gains we'd see I reckon. It would be more like a 10% gain for $100 more. This is on a $200-$229 GPU.

I just can't fathom it sorry, and also I apologize for being argumentative and possibly rude smile.gif

I think it was the comment about being willing to pay up to $350 that struck a nerve with me for some reason (think I have a chip on my shoulder about companies gouging) and I'm sorry about that thumb.gif
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Originally Posted by Pyrotagonist View Post

With NV, you have no cheap reference versions and the AIB versions don't overclock well They're barely any better than the awful FEs so far.. There will still be $230 RX 480s, and probably cheap AIB versions that are a substantial upgrade. We should just wait and see.

Yeah. I think in some way I'm expecting AMD to have pushed the speeds for this architecture pretty fast straight out of the box as they did with fury, and like Nvidia has with Pascal.

I hope it's got massive headroom but not counting on it that's for sure.
Edited by Waitng4realGPU - 6/21/16 at 7:13pm
post #1168 of 2870
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Originally Posted by SuperZan View Post

Exactly. These threads are all speculation until something concrete arrives anyway, so why not indulge? There is a smorgasbord of tantalizing what-if's and could-be's out there and postulating on them is simply human nature. It's not advocating for random prices, it's discussing what could happen given x or y.

Basically what this thread was since its inception, until October guy arrived. tongue.gif

Guess some people just haven't been following since the start and forget what the title and subject is.
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Originally Posted by Waitng4realGPU View Post

I just don't understand why AMD would intentionally underclock/underpower their cards to the point where they can only charge less for it.

I'll speculate for the sake of it..........

$199-$229 reference - Might top out at 1400-1450mhz with a 6 pin?

$229-$299 - Better power delivery, extra 6 pin - maybe top out at 1450-1550

$300-$350 480? - Supreme components and cooler - Might top out at 1550-1650mhz?

I just can't see where such an expensive card is going to fit in or be worth it to anyone.

Even if you got a terrible reference card (we already know they run cool enough not to throttle) there is no way you're going to get 20% performance gain out of an uber card.

My numbers are a pretty generous assumption of the kind of gains we'd see I reckon. It would be more like a 10% gain for $100 more. This is on a $200-$229 GPU.

I just can't fathom it sorry, and also I apologize for being argumentative and possibly rude smile.gif

I think it was the comment about being willing to pay up to $350 that struck a nerve with me for some reason (think I have a chip on my shoulder about companies gouging) and I'm sorry about that thumb.gif
Yeah. I think in some way I'm expecting AMD to have pushed the speeds for this architecture pretty fast straight out of the box as they did with fury, and like Nvidia has with Pascal.

I hope it's got massive headroom but not counting on it that's for sure.

So I'm confused you do not believe your projected price points and clockspeeds would be worth it to anyone?

We really don't know what a 1650MHz 480 could do, but from earlier benchmarks @ 4K earlier on in this thread's life I projected Titan X performance at those speeds (@ 4K). That seems like a good buy for $300-350? You disagree with that?
post #1169 of 2870
If this card (a heavily OC AIB SKU) can somewhat match Fury X level performance for around ~$250, then there's no way I won't be picking one up.

But if its just close to stock ~GTX 980 performance, then GTX 1070 here I come.
Edited by SlackerITGuy - 6/21/16 at 7:24pm
post #1170 of 2870
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Originally Posted by BiG StroOnZ View Post

Basically what this thread was since its inception, until October guy arrived. tongue.gif

Guess some people just haven't been following since the start and forget what the title and subject is.
So I'm confused you do not believe your projected price points and clockspeeds would be worth it to anyone?

We really don't know what a 1650MHz 480 could do, but from earlier benchmarks @ 4K earlier on in this thread's life I projected Titan X performance at those speeds (@ 4K). That seems like a good buy for $300-350? You disagree with that?

Well I guess it would be ok but I left a large margin for error/silicon lottery.

According to my wild assumptions you might get 1550mhz on a good sample of a card for $269. Then on an uber card for $329 maybe only 1600mhz.

The uber card would then be considered terrible value.

Anyway we all have our own opinions on how these are going to OC and what we personally would pay for them. We'll have to agree to disagree thumb.gif
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