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Originally Posted by LAKEINTEL View Post

Maybe you should blame nvidia for making this card look like a miracle worker in power/dollar.

seriously though, the 200 dollar price mark is more important than beating the fury. Exactly what precedent is AMD running afoul other than the fact that they were a steal more than a year ago too?

Maybe some got influenced by the hype train so much expecting 980 Ti performance from a $200 card.lol

We don't even know if the proper drivers are out. Knowing AMD . . . it could be a few weeks after launch.redface.gif
Edited by rdr09 - 6/26/16 at 9:56pm
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I'm not disappointed in price/perf, I'm disappointed in AMD's engineers.

So you're telling me NVIDIA just shrunk Maxwell, while AMD did a heavy rework of their uArch, and they still can't catch up in perf/mm^2? Or even come close? And on a denser node no less?

Then there's the matter of extracting the raw performance out of the card. It's 5.8TFLOPS, the 390x is 5.9TFLOPS. Where is that uArch work if all we're getting is 390x perf?

Where is that Primitive Discard Accelerator? Instruction pre-fetch? Improved shader efficiency?

You're telling me all of that couldn't even bring more than 2% perf improvement?

You're looking at it the wrong way. At little more than half the die size of Hawaii (232mm² vs 438mm²), with 18% less shaders and only 20% higher clockspeed, it manages to match 390X in performance. I think that's not a bad achievement at all.
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I'm not disappointed in price/perf, I'm disappointed in AMD's engineers.

So you're telling me NVIDIA just shrunk Maxwell, while AMD did a heavy rework of their uArch, and they still can't catch up in perf/mm^2? Or even come close? And on a denser node no less?

Then there's the matter of extracting the raw performance out of the card. It's 5.8TFLOPS, the 390x is 5.9TFLOPS. Where is that uArch work if all we're getting is 390x perf?

Where is that Primitive Discard Accelerator? Instruction pre-fetch? Improved shader efficiency?

You're telling me all of that couldn't even bring more than 2% perf improvement?

Nvidia launches a new mid-grade chip = ~10% higher performance than preceding top tier offering.

AMD launches a new mid-grade chip = ~15-20 lower performance than preceding top tier offering


Keep in mind that this is the first time in history of GPU product launches that a new mid-grade chip didn't meet or exceed the performance of a previous generation top tier offering.
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You're looking at it the wrong way. At little more than half the die size of Hawaii (232mm² vs 438mm²), with 18% less shaders and only 20% higher clockspeed, it manages to match 390X in performance. I think that's not a bad achievement at all.

See above. thumb.gif
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Where are the official performance numbers that you seem to be basing your assumptions on? WCCF leaks? The point is that AMD was never targeting Nvidia flagship performance with this $200 card. They will release a proper 390X successor later...
If it was WCCFTech then I would be happy because R9 Nano perf means a good 15% in uArch improvements.

I'm basing it on us assuming 390X perf. If it IS 390x perf, Polaris is an engineering dud saved as a product by a low price point.
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So how long after launch do you think we'll have to wait for aib cards? Will the pricing be around the same?? This will be the first card I've paid attention to/witnessed launch so I have no idea about the time frame/cost diffferences that happen. I've been dreaming of a new video card ever since I built my PC and as soon as I heard about the rx480 I was sold. But I'm a bigger fan (no pun intended) of dual fan coolers and not so much of reference designs.

Also, I don't know a whole lot, but you guys had said there's no reason to water cool this card, but you could build a decently cheap loop that would work just fine. Just IMO. I had thought about it if the aib cards took too long or cost too much.
    
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Maybe some got influenced by the hype train so much expecting 980 Ti performance from a $200 card.lol

We don't even know if the proper drivers are out. Knowing AMD . . . it could be a few weeks after launch.redface.gif

We still don't KNOW anything in regards to finalized performance numbers and yet the trolls are already starting to climb out of the woodwork. AMD would have to sell a $200 480 that beats The 1080 by 50% in order for the fanboys to ever give them any credit. And even then they would probably say that the cooler was a cheap piece of trash. rolleyes.gif
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I'm not disappointed in price/perf, I'm disappointed in AMD's engineers.

So you're telling me NVIDIA just shrunk Maxwell, while AMD did a heavy rework of their uArch, and they still can't catch up in perf/mm^2? Or even come close? And on a denser node no less?

Then there's the matter of extracting the raw performance out of the card. It's 5.8TFLOPS, the 390x is 5.9TFLOPS. Where is that uArch work if all we're getting is 390x perf?

Where is that Primitive Discard Accelerator? Instruction pre-fetch? Improved shader efficiency?

You're telling me all of that couldn't even bring more than 2% perf improvement?

I think if you look at uArch performance increases vs 390x and what that could achieve i would put that in the realm of what will be added in drivers to come. Comparing day 1 drivers vs mature drivers remember. Also given the uArch performance may be substantial it may take some time for it to fully perform.

I can almost gaurantee things will improve for this card performance wise, where as i'm not so sure about the 390x.
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200 bucks for a card that will beat my gtx 780 into the ground? I'll take two and water cool them both.
post #2139 of 2870
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And even then they would probably say that the cooler was a cheap piece of trash. rolleyes.gif

The cooler IS a cheap piece of trash rolleyes.gif

Does that make me a fanboy?
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You're looking at it the wrong way. At little more than half the die size of Hawaii (232mm² vs 438mm²), with 18% less shaders and only 20% higher clockspeed, it manages to match 390X in performance. I think that's not a bad achievement at all.
So... Zero uArch inprovements? Both cards have near identical raw shader performance, but two generations (one being touted as a near complete rework) are separating them. And yet they have identical performance? Where is the uArch work?
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