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No it isn't a good point. The 480 at $200 is not a mid grade product. Hell, I paid more for my 560Ti back in 2011 and it didn't even match a 470, much less the 480...

Exactly, people are just using garbage for the sake of their argument up to this point.
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Nvidia launches a new mid-grade chip = ~10% higher performance than preceding top tier offering.

AMD launches a new mid-grade chip = ~15-20 lower performance than preceding top tier offering

You might need to look at the tiger picture for a while.
post #2152 of 2870
This thread is ridiculous and proves why AMD has such a hard time regaining market share. Even when they have a clear winner on their hands (even if the card only matched a 390, not 390x/980) at a great price they still get called out for not doing enough. Nvidia has ZERO cards that can touch this, zero.

It's ridiculous how when a 1080 is not that much faster at max OC vs a 980ti or Titan-X (at a ridiclous price) and is a card mean't for people on vanilla 980's/780ti'sto upgrade it's hailed as god tier. Yet AMD does something similar for the lower end of the price point and after far better value per dollar, it's labeled as a failure.
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So... Zero uArch inprovements? Both cards have near identical raw shader performance, but two generations (one being touted as a near complete rework) are separating them. And yet they have identical performance? Where is the uArch work?

Actually thinking deeper, I'm not sure if these comparisons could capture the full IPC improvements.

980 had 29% less shaders than 780 Ti (2048 vs 2880) but its boost clock was also 31% faster (1216 vs 928). After drivers matured it ended up being ~10% faster than 780 Ti. So you'd think it was only a 10% IPC improvement, but apparently it's supposed to be 35%:



(officially, 1 SMM with 128 shaders is supposed to have 90% the performance of 1 SMX with 192 shaders, assuming equal clockspeeds)
post #2154 of 2870
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You could sell a turd for a low price, doesn't mean it's not a turd.

I'm looking at it strictly from the engineering standpoint. If it's 390x performance, zero uArch improvements in shader efficiency have been made.

Even though it's a much smaller chip with less shaders and half the memory bandwidth? And ignoring price point and market position completely? OK then... rolleyes.gif
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No it isn't a good point. The 480 at $200 is not a mid grade product. Hell, I paid more for my 560Ti back in 2011 and it didn't even match a 470, much less the 480...

You also overpaid for your Titans... did that somehow make the 780 Ti a mid-grade product?
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Since when is a $700 1080 a mid-grade card (or even a $450 1070 for that matter)? And since when do you compare performance of a $200 budget card with that of a flagship? This card is not a replacement for the 390X. It's launching for half the price of the 390X for God sake!

Are you finished? I could do this all night...

Exactly, this is not to replace Grenada or even Hawaii. I think it is meant to replace the 380 (X) but mainly an affordable card for the masses who still are using 1080P.

If the masses want a faster card, then the 1070 at $380 will be their alternative. When it becomes more readily available and affordable.

You see, miners recognize the price advantage and i don't see any farms of 1070 or 1080 around for mining. It could be the supply issue affecting those cards, though.
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Exactly. Nvidia HAD to get 1800+MHz out of GP104 just to beat the 980Ti. There is no architectural performance increase with Pascal vs Maxwell; it's all node shrink and clock speed advantage.
And that is exactly my point.

NVIDIA has already shown their engineering grunt with Maxwell, meanwhile AMD was stuck with a chip designed to compete with Kepler. Now NVIDIA are staying put in uArch this gen, while AMD has a chance to catch up... And they achieve basically nothing on the uArch front.
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And that is exactly my point.

NVIDIA has already shown their engineering grunt with Maxwell, meanwhile AMD was stuck with a chip designed to compete with Kepler. Now NVIDIA are staying put in uArch this gen, while AMD has a chance to catch up... And they achieve basically nothing on the uArch front.

Refer to the tiger.
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You could sell a turd for a low price, doesn't mean it's not a turd.

I'm looking at it strictly from the engineering standpoint. If it's 390x performance, zero uArch improvements in shader efficiency have been made.

It doesn't consume as much power as 390x for the same performance, mate.

If AMD had threw the power efficiency away and fed the card with 390x's power consumption, it would have had 1070 performance. Yeah, it is inferior to Pascal, that is why it is cheap rolleyes.gif
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If anyone is bashing AMD for releasing midrange polaris as its first die into something new, I want to know your opinions when the first Maxwell die was a 750ti.
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