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Originally Posted by Slomo4shO View Post

You acknowledge that prices decrease over time but are still arguing that $229 is a reasonable price for performance equivalent to a product launched 3 years ago?
I don't follow.
The 8gb 480 at it's starting price point should be cheaper than the cheapest 390s and that will only decrease in time.
So what is AMD doing wrong?

Also the 390 is discontinued and it's price has been irrelevant since AMD announced the 200$ 480.
What was the price of the 390 in september 2015 when we didn't know much about Polaris?
Edited by Serios - 6/26/16 at 11:53pm
post #2242 of 2870
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Originally Posted by iLeakStuff View Post

20% cheaper but same performance that already exists

And they made all these revolution posters because of that?

Uses a heck of a lot less power though so significant progress has been made, they were never aiming for high performance on these cards and they were aware that the same performance was already available.

An evolved/uber clocked 480 will probably be a fair bit faster than the 390X, the reference 290X's don't put up very good numbers in reviews for example.
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Originally Posted by Majin SSJ Eric View Post

No, you're correct. And a 1500 MHz Titan X is veeeery close to a 2100MHz 1080. If the 1080 wasn't capable of 2GHz it wouldn't even beat a 1500MHz Titan X at all. But it costs $300 less and is in fact faster so it's still a better buy obviously...

Yep of course, should probably compare it to a 980ti anyway as the Titan is a card that always has a 'special' price.
Edited by Waitng4realGPU - 6/26/16 at 11:48pm
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So what is AMD doing wrong?

Launching another Tonga. Management can't seem to be able to learn from their past mistakes...
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Management can't seem to be able to learn from their past mistakes...

lol

Once DX11 is phased out they'll be fine, they can't really do much till then except give decent price performance on what they can produce.

That's why they aimed for mainstream buyers and are looking to gain a bit of marketshare
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Launching another Tonga. Management can't seem to be able to learn from their past mistakes...

Well in 2 days all will be revealed.
The 480 does improve performance vs a Togna in a similar way Nvidia's 1080 improved performance vs the 980 only they didn't increase the price.
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20% cheaper but same performance that already exists

And they made all these revolution posters because of that?

Um yes, because you can have $550 card (980) performance for $200 now?

What you guys keep ignoring is that the 480 is just the first card of this generation and is the budget card at that. Nvidia has no competition at the high end but AMD also has no competition at the low end. These segments are just not comparable by logical and unbiased people (and we can clearly see in this thread which posters are absolutely biased and illogical by their arguments). At least this discussion has exposed those posters for what they truly are...
post #2247 of 2870
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Originally Posted by iLeakStuff View Post

20% cheaper but same performance that already exists

And they made all these revolution posters because of that?

I have a 7950 to replace and it is not going to be Grenada, It will be a 480.

Anyway, aren't you suppose to be defending the "non supply issue revolution" of the 1070/80? Go! Convince the gullible.
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Nvidia launches a new mid-grade chip = ~10% higher performance than preceding top tier offering.

AMD launches a new mid-grade chip = ~15-20 lower performance than preceding top tier offering


Keep in mind that this is the first time in history of GPU product launches that a new mid-grade chip didn't meet or exceed the performance of a previous generation top tier offering.
See above. thumb.gif
So I guess everyone should wait for the 1060 since it must be faster than last gen top tier, by your logic.
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It's a smaller chip because we got a 2x density increase from node. That's not AMD's engineering. And it's less shaders but higher clockspeed, having effectively the same raw performance if not looking at uArch improvements.

As for memory bandwidth, that's an improvement made with Tonga, not a Polaris advancement.
Didnt AMD specifically say they improved compression in Polaris? But, you haven't seen it yet so it's obviously not true.
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The terms of the "Take or pay" agreement have been renegotiated a couple of times since it was a major problem for AMD.
AMD hasn't been in a disadvantage for years regarding the wafer contracts they have with GloFo.
He said he read about a problem and I told him what it meant and that it was not a current issue
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NVIDIA was already a gen ahead of AMD in efficiency with Maxwell. AMD had a chance to catch up against Pascal and they didn't take it. What happens when Volta releases?
Did you steal the tardis and go to the future to see AMD's unreleased and yet to be announced products for this generation?
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You acknowledge that prices decrease over time but are still arguing that $229 is a reasonable price for performance equivalent to a product launched 3 years ago?
You are right, I was thinking 280X. The Antigua XT die was larger than Tahiti XT and and it barely matched the performance of, 4 years its senior, Tahiti.
Yeah it's a joke. A joke that the 380x is the best offering in the sub $230 price range right now, both camps considered. Nvidia can't top what's comparable to 4 year old Tahiti for under $230, that's also a pretty good joke.
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Well in 2 days all will be revealed.
The 480 does improve performance vs a Togna in a similar way Nvidia's 1080 improved performance vs the 980 only they didn't increase the price.

They actually lowered the price of significantly faster performance, something Nvidia hasn't done in a long time(well there was the 970 to be fair). Two years ago I paid the same price as a 480 for a 270X that has half the performance.
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Um yes, because you can have $550 card (980) performance for $200 now?

What you guys keep ignoring is that the 480 is just the first card of this generation and is the budget card at that. Nvidia has no competition at the high end but AMD also has no competition at the low end. These segments are just not comparable by logical and unbiased people (and we can clearly see in this thread which posters are absolutely biased and illogical by their arguments). At least this discussion has exposed those posters for what they truly are...

 

Exactly. The company hurting for market-share is obviously best served addressing the largest portion of the market. They're also inadvertently doing us all a favour as gamers by improving the baseline performance level of bargain PC's and (hopefully) OEM's 'gaming' machines. I just don't understand how the card as described and intended could possibly be construed as a negative. They're giving the gaming public a 390x/980 that can run in their POS low-airflow case without causing a pressure-cooker explosion. We've got a guy in our gaming community, constantly skint because he smokes tonnes of weed, that hasn't bothered to buy a PC in years. He plays games on a crap notebook with Warm Potato graphics and just dies non-stop with his low frames. I was finally able to convince him to buy a PC with a 6600k and an RX 480. 390x/980 performance under $300 finally sold him.

 

This is the TAM AMD wants to grow. I know he's not the only one.

     
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