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If we raise clockspeed until power consumption matches 1070, I highly doubt it will have 1070 performance tongue.gif
You tend to lose efficiency when overclocking, and 390x perf at 100W is about 1080 perf/watt.
Well, yeah, AMD makes denser dies so they clock lower.
The question is who has the best balance between density and clock speed, and when looking at perf/mm^2 you can easily see that.

Your arguments are kinda moot because amd use 14nm LPE that's why it's cant clock that high. LPE is a mobile focus node meanwhile 16+ on TSMC is a performance one. Still extremely wide and parallel architectures like GCN use more die space for the extra capabilities. Also wait for the reviews, now it's just a pure speculation wink.gif
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People here can't understand what a 200 bucks card offers to the market.

Did you applaud when the HD 7870 was rebranded and launched as the R9 270X for $200?

Would you feel the same way if the R9 290X was rebranded again and priced at $200?

But now that it is a new chip that also offers some power reduction, the move is revolutionary? rolleyes.gif
Edited by Slomo4shO - 6/27/16 at 5:50am
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Did you applaud when the HD 7870 was rebranded and launched as the R9 270X for $200?

Would you feel the same way if the R9 290X was rebranded again and priced at $200?

But now that it is a new chip that also offers power reduction, the move is revolutionary? rolleyes.gif

It basically is a cheaper 390x which was a cheaper 290x with more vram, amd have been slightly polishing and releasing the same card a bit cheaper each time for like the last 5 years and people in here are acting like it is the saviour of the pc market. They are also blaming us for being a bit disappointed with the latest rumours when they were the ones hyping it to match a gtx 980ti after oc.

I guess this is nvidias fault for being so dang greedy and over pricing their cards, any old re re released mid tier chip from amd at a cheap price is going to impress.
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Did you applaud when the HD 7870 was rebranded and launched as the R9 270X for $200?

Would you feel the same way if the R9 290X was rebranded again and priced at $200?

But now that it is a new chip that also offers power reduction, the move is revolutionary? rolleyes.gif
They aren't the same. Aren't we presupposing a little too much that they are?
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Would you feel the same way if the R9 290X was rebranded again and priced at $200?

But now that it is a new chip that also offers power reduction, the move is revolutionary? rolleyes.gif
it's a 380x replacement, it's actually an upgrade For same price where performance was stuck for last 2-3 years. for 290/390+ guys you will have your 490 in 6-8 months.

compare launch to launch and 2 year old to 2 year old price. don't mix. in a lot places 390/x still cost more than 300$ just like 290/x was costing more than 400$ rolleyes.gif

there's a reason why amd got 6% market back with just rebrands. because they bring lower prices to many markets. wink.gif
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Originally Posted by Slomo4shO View Post

Did you applaud when the HD 7870 was rebranded and launched as the R9 270X for $200?

Would you feel the same way if the R9 290X was rebranded again and priced at $200?

But now that it is a new chip that also offers some power reduction, the move is revolutionary? rolleyes.gif

Maybe you need to start applying your own signature thumb.gif

It's a low mid range card and you guys expect magic and fire. If you get hyped from speculations or some specific users that makes you what?

The card is fine because it offers what is suppose to offers. Amd needs marketshare not a flagship war like the previous years thats why they focus on a low cost high volume product .

Also they dont have competition on this market segment. TSMC having so many customers it will be tough for nvidia to produce high volume parts like gp106.
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Your arguments are kinda moot because amd use 14nm LPE that's why it's cant clock that high. LPE is a mobile focus node meanwhile 16+ on TSMC is a performance one. Still extremely wide and parallel architectures like GCN use more die space for the extra capabilities. Also wait for the reviews, now it's just a pure speculation wink.gif

technically the 14LPE node is a higher performance node than TSMC 16nm. 14nm lpe base voltage is 0.800 volts, while the TSMC 16nm base voltage is 0.700 volts. Granted there are other factors, but in general 14nm LPE should be capable of higher speeds, since it supports higher voltage.
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technically the 14LPE node is a higher performance node than TSMC 16nm. 14nm lpe base voltage is 0.800 volts, while the TSMC 16nm base voltage is 0.700 volts. Granted there are other factors, but in general 14nm LPE should be capable of higher speeds, since it supports higher voltage.

I actually can set quite high voltage on 480. It just refuses to maintain high boost clock.
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technically the 14LPE node is a higher performance node than TSMC 16nm. 14nm lpe base voltage is 0.800 volts, while the TSMC 16nm base voltage is 0.700 volts. Granted there are other factors, but in general 14nm LPE should be capable of higher speeds, since it supports higher voltage.

Irrelevant that it supports higher voltage. LPE is for mobile soc that focus on power efficiency and lower clocks. LPP will offer a bit more balance but still it's a node for mobile soc. Meanwhile, TSMC 16nm FF+ is a more performance focus node.
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Well, yeah, AMD makes denser dies so they clock lower.
The question is who has the best balance between density and clock speed, and when looking at perf/mm^2 you can easily see that.
pretty much

right now P10 (232 mm2) loses to Pascal (314 mm2) in raw perf / mm2, we'll see if something changes with a hypothetical 480X or Vega
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