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The reference design really should have DVI. Reference is the one for the 'masses' so to speak - OEMs, real budget enthusiasts (who purchase Korean panels) and non-enthusiasts who had it recommended on Neogaf - people who might be using outdated or otherwise crappy monitors. You can remove it for the enthusiast versions; it's backwards.
post #212 of 350
I totally understand the reasoning behind omitting DVI on a new video card in 2016. It is just old tech and both companies want to move on to newer and better connectors. I am not getting rid of my Korean IPS screens anytime soon so it sucks for me but I know I am the minority in this regard and I long ago accepted that I would just have to buy active adapters if I wanted to ensure I could always use them. That is a choice I made though and shouldn't be counted against a GPU company just because they want to utilize all the benefits of DP and HDMI (especially the space saving). I would bet that a majority of gamers at this point have DP or HDMI-capable monitors as most released over the last 3 years or so do. The real onus should fall on the monitor/TV manufacturers, however, to phase out DVI and VGA and focus on creating a new DP standard that ALL products share because it is ridiculous that there are so many different configs of displays out there today.

Imagine if DP had been established as the only connector available for TV's and monitors long ago? We wouldn't have this issue today...
post #213 of 350
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The problem is that an HDMI port on the card is a waste of a spot where a DP could be.


Now, a single row of connectors with 3 mini DP and 1 HDMI might make everyone happy. Will that fit? I don't know.

It already is a single row of 3 DP and 1 HDMI?

It sure is! What are we arguing about again?


post #214 of 350
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The reference design really should have DVI. Reference is the one for the 'masses' so to speak - OEMs, real budget enthusiasts (who purchase Korean panels) and non-enthusiasts who had it recommended on Neogaf - people who might be using outdated or otherwise crappy monitors. You can remove it for the enthusiast versions; it's backwards.

No you have it backwards.

For outdated and crappy monitors you can get cheap adapters.

If they have a DVI, HDMI and displayports then you will end up with less vent space for the hot air to be pushed out of the blower cooler.

So putting in an obsolete port will affect the card's cooling performance.

AIB cooling that push hot air out into the case can stack 2 DVI plus HDMI and display ports and it won't affect anything.
post #215 of 350
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I totally understand the reasoning behind omitting DVI on a new video card in 2016. It is just old tech and both companies want to move on to newer and better connectors. I am not getting rid of my Korean IPS screens anytime soon so it sucks for me but I know I am the minority in this regard and I long ago accepted that I would just have to buy active adapters if I wanted to ensure I could always use them. That is a choice I made though and shouldn't be counted against a GPU company just because they want to utilize all the benefits of DP and HDMI (especially the space saving). I would bet that a majority of gamers at this point have DP or HDMI-capable monitors as most released over the last 3 years or so do. The real onus should fall on the monitor/TV manufacturers, however, to phase out DVI and VGA and focus on creating a new DP standard that ALL products share because it is ridiculous that there are so many different configs of displays out there today.

Imagine if DP had been established as the only connector available for TV's and monitors long ago? We wouldn't have this issue today...

I have to believe that the ONLY reason DisplayPort was even developed was because HDMI pays out a royalty each time it is used in a device, where as DisplayPort is a completely open standard. HDMI continues only because it was the first truly easy plug-and-play digital video/audio cable on the market. DVI is large and has a lot of pins, where as HDMI is just one connector with metal contact plates.

Simply put, DisplayPort is what HDMI should have been... but industry standards die hard, especially when it is one that is as easy to use as HDMI.
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post #216 of 350
Hurry AMD, do a recall and add some DVI ports. Just kidding. They should have been added from the get-go, but they weren't. It's annoying, especially trying to wrap your head around that logic, but since I was planning on getting an AIB anyway (blowers have always been garbage in my experience), I don't mind so much. I'm just highly skeptical with all of the price rumors, especially after the MSRP promises from Nvidia that were ignored by practically everyone. If I can get a decent card out of this, with a DVI, for no more than $250 USD, I'll be happy. If it's too expensive, I'll probably just end up going with a more expensive card. What has me more worried right now is that I realized most of the games I like have GimpWorks or are DX11, so I'm going to hold out for some real, non-synthetic benchmarks regardless.
post #217 of 350
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I totally understand the reasoning behind omitting DVI on a new video card in 2016. It is just old tech and both companies want to move on to newer and better connectors. I am not getting rid of my Korean IPS screens anytime soon so it sucks for me but I know I am the minority in this regard and I long ago accepted that I would just have to buy active adapters if I wanted to ensure I could always use them. That is a choice I made though and shouldn't be counted against a GPU company just because they want to utilize all the benefits of DP and HDMI (especially the space saving). I would bet that a majority of gamers at this point have DP or HDMI-capable monitors as most released over the last 3 years or so do. The real onus should fall on the monitor/TV manufacturers, however, to phase out DVI and VGA and focus on creating a new DP standard that ALL products share because it is ridiculous that there are so many different configs of displays out there today.

Imagine if DP had been established as the only connector available for TV's and monitors long ago? We wouldn't have this issue today...

I have to believe that the ONLY reason DisplayPort was even developed was because HDMI pays out a royalty each time it is used in a device, where as DisplayPort is a completely open standard. HDMI continues only because it was the first truly easy plug-and-play digital video/audio cable on the market. DVI is large and has a lot of pins, where as HDMI is just one connector with metal contact plates.

Simply put, DisplayPort is what HDMI should have been... but industry standards die hard, especially when it is one that is as easy to use as HDMI.

To me, I feel about HDMI about the same as I feel about just about every projector on the market still having a VGA port (and as a result most business laptops keeping the VGA port)


Anything HDMI can do, DVI and DP can do better. I don't think there are any exceptions to this.
post #218 of 350
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It sure is! What are we arguing about again?



The few that want a DVI on the reference because they don't want to use a (probably included) passive adapter/have a high refresh DVI-D Korean monitor and don't feel like having to pick an appropriate AIB card.
post #219 of 350
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To me, I feel about HDMI about the same as I feel about just about every projector on the market still having a VGA port (and as a result most business laptops keeping the VGA port)


Anything HDMI can do, DVI and DP can do better. I don't think there are any exceptions to this.

DisplayPort is definitely better than HDMI. As for DVI, it's large and has metal pins which can be bent.

For me, it's DisplayPort > HDMI > DVI
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DVI and VGA need to die. Long live DP!
 
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