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Interesting.... Then perhaps I could put two GPU's on a 280mm and my CPu on a 140mm and mounted at the rear as exhaust. That will allow me more fan freedom at the top and better space management. Do you think a 140mm radiator would be adequate for the OC'd 5820K?
Your questions will be better answered by someone who is current on water cooling components like @ciarlatano. I have been using air for several years. My knowledge is limited to AIOs (not CLCs) like Swiftech sell. While they are way better than CLCs, they are still not as good as more expensive components.
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Troll me as much as you like, but expect no answers.

This guy must have it all wrong to. You should write him and tell him he is full of *****

Case Pressure Explained - Positive vs Neutral vs Negative

Case Flow and Pressure Demonstration - How to balance airflow

He is saying and demonstration what I and others have been saying from the start. Who is the ill-logical now?
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post #43 of 57
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2x 140mm fans on a 280 radiator will flow about the same as 3x 120mm fans on a 360 radiator. 3x 120mm fans have a flow area approx. 300sq cm and 2x 140mm fans have an area approx 280sq cm. This is assuming both have similar static pressure to cfm ratio and are simiilar design. A 280x140mm radiator (392sq cm)is similar size to a 360x120mm radiator (432q cm).

Interesting.... Then perhaps I could put two GPU's on a 280mm and my CPu on a 140mm and mounted at the rear as exhaust. That will allow me more fan freedom at the top and better space management. Do you think a 140mm radiator would be adequate for the OC'd 5820K?

That would work but would be considered minimal rad space. A very general rule of thumb is 120 rad space for each component and then an extra 120 for OC'ing. With that much case space there is really no reason not to do a 360 and 240/280 or at least 2x240 or 2x280. The more rad space the quieter the system. Keeping all 120 or 140 size would help with fan control so you could run them all off the same controller, but if you don't mind splitting the 120 and 140 fans on different controllers then you can mix and match 120 and 140 sizes. Bottom line is cram as much rad space in there as you can and the budget will allow, it's a lot less headache in the long run than trying to tweak minimal rad space to get good performance.

You might also want to visit the owner's club to ask more specific questions about the case and see what other people have done.

http://www.overclock.net/t/1430677/the-nzxt-h-series-club-h630-h440-h230
 
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post #44 of 57
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This guy must have it all wrong to. You should write him and tell him he is full of *****

Case Pressure Explained - Positive vs Neutral vs Negative

Case Flow and Pressure Demonstration - How to balance airflow

He is saying and demonstration what I and others have been saying from the start. Who is the ill-logical now?
Trolling again.
post #45 of 57
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That would work but would be considered minimal rad space. A very general rule of thumb is 120 rad space for each component and then an extra 120 for OC'ing. With that much case space there is really no reason not to do a 360 and 240/280 or at least 2x240 or 2x280. The more rad space the quieter the system. Keeping all 120 or 140 size would help with fan control so you could run them all off the same controller, but if you don't mind splitting the 120 and 140 fans on different controllers then you can mix and match 120 and 140 sizes. Bottom line is cram as much rad space in there as you can and the budget will allow, it's a lot less headache in the long run than trying to tweak minimal rad space to get good performance.

You might also want to visit the owner's club to ask more specific questions about the case and see what other people have done.

http://www.overclock.net/t/1430677/the-nzxt-h-series-club-h630-h440-h230
To clarify, I think an extra 120mm of radiator for Oc'ing for each component Oc'ed. This 120 figure is also relative to how much overclocking is being done and how good the silicone lottery treated you. A stock CPU cooling nicely with a 240mm radiator may may need 2x 240mm radiators with a heavy OC. It's all about TDP wattage / heat.

Fan speed control is rather easy, especially if PWM fans are used. A single PWM signal will easily control 8-10 PWM fans. Well, most PWM fans. Some corsail PWMs don't play nice and only 2 or 3 will work. But most people don't consider them good fans. Fan speed control is easier if all fans are the same, but a little planning and it is not hard to pick 120mm and 140mm fans with rpm ranges that will flow similar amounts of air using same PWM signal rate.

I'm still waiting for ciarlatano's suggestions.
Edited by doyll - 6/28/16 at 11:10pm
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Trolling again.

You can't dispute the information I posted so I'm trolling. I'm not at all surprised by your response, continue your good work ostrich.
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post #47 of 57
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You can't dispute the information I posted so I'm trolling. I'm not at all surprised by your response, continue your good work ostrich.
Repeatedly explained,, only for you to troll me even more. rolleyes.gif
post #48 of 57
Thair7391, all discussion, debating or arguing aside this is your build. Only you can decide how to build it. The best advice I can give you is keep it simple, and read, read, then read some more. There is more than one way to skin a cat. Radnad’s 120 RAD +1 per component is a generally accepted rule of thumb by the water cooling community. Another generally accepted rule of thumb is. If trying to build a quiet system shoot for 120 to 200 watts per 120mm of RAD surface area. There are individuals that have achieved great results with a single 280mm RAD cooling a CPU & 2 GPUs. If you have sufficient RAD space 600-1300 rpm high static pressure fans will be adequate. A high percentage of water coolers build to the positive pressure philosophy. Doyll is 100% correct that good air flow if paramount to effective cooling. He is just out of touch with real world water cooling applications.

Build your system as you see fit. Play around with the cooling configuration as most do. Find out what works best for you and your build. Most of us look at this as a hobby, have fun and enjoy it.
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post #49 of 57
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Thair7391, all discussion, debating or arguing aside this is your build. Only you can decide how to build it. The best advice I can give you is keep it simple, and read, read, then read some more. There is more than one way to skin a cat. Radnad’s 120 RAD +1 per component is a generally accepted rule of thumb by the water cooling community. Another generally accepted rule of thumb is. If trying to build a quiet system shoot for 120 to 200 watts per 120mm of RAD surface area. There are individuals that have achieved great results with a single 280mm RAD cooling a CPU & 2 GPUs. If you have sufficient RAD space 600-1300 rpm high static pressure fans will be adequate. A high percentage of water coolers build to the positive pressure philosophy. Doyll is 100% correct that good air flow if paramount to effective cooling. He is just out of touch with real world water cooling applications.

Build your system as you see fit. Play around with the cooling configuration as most do. Find out what works best for you and your build. Most of us look at this as a hobby, have fun and enjoy it.

TDP is another great way to determine radiator size. I would personally try for a 120 for every 100 watts of TDP and that should give you plenty of rad space with extra to spare. I love the 280's, have one in my sig rig and one in my new Skylake build almost done. (I would have 2x280's but I won a 240 for free so I'm going to use that with the 280).
 
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TDP is another great way to determine radiator size. I would personally try for a 120 for every 100 watts of TDP and that should give you plenty of rad space with extra to spare. I love the 280's, have one in my sig rig and one in my new Skylake build almost done. (I would have 2x280's but I won a 240 for free so I'm going to use that with the 280).

So it sounds like I have nowhere nearly enough case space for radiators... Considering how overclocked each of 980 Ti's are, I wouldn't think it unreasonable to calculate a 300W TDP per GPU, plus the 140W of my 5820K +- 40W for the overclocking, that's 780W!!! That means I need almost 8 x 120mm of rad space!!!!! No way that's happening in my H440.
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