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Yes...this....my 8320 clocked at 4.6 ghz was CPU bottlenecked with GTX 980, then what can it do with GTX 980ti and GTX 1070/1080?

It's long overdue for a burial with new gpus. This CPU has expired it's use with modern Graphics Cards. Unless you use R9 280X that pretty much the last GPU I saw where GPU was close to 100% use and not 60-70%

you were still GPU limited in most cases.
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A amd FX 8300 + 970a-ud3 is cheaper than the i3 setup and more future proof

no , everything about the FX system is worse. Higher power consumption, lack of pci-3.0, lack of ddr4, lack of nvme storage options, dead cpu socket. The FX system might perform better down the road than the current I3 thanks to having a higher core count, but the Intel platform is far more future proof, as you can always upgrade from the i3, to a I7.



This review was written by some AMD fan boy, to give it 9.0 rating? it's a crappy cpu....
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I would get a 6350 over a skylake i3. Easily. Even for gaming (my games are fully threaded). The problem here is that 1151 socket is so much more contemporary platform-wise (features and DDR4 RAM) and has many good upgrade paths, i5s,i7s, will support Kaby Lake etc. So it makes more sense over AM3+ which is about to finally be replaced in November anyway. A person that needs a gaming computer right now, could go with the i3 but definitely schedule to upgrade on an i7 sooner than later. Hopefully Zen will press intel CPU prices down a notch.

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lack of nvme storage options,

There have been motherboards that support nvme types of storage on AM3+ for more than two years now.
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I would get a 6350 over a skylake i3. Easily. Even for gaming (my games are fully threaded). The problem here is that 1151 socket is so much more contemporary platform-wise (features and DDR4 RAM) and has many good upgrade paths, i5s,i7s, will support Kaby Lake etc. So it makes more sense over AM3+ which is about to finally be replaced in November anyway. A person that needs a gaming computer right now, could go with the i3 but definitely schedule to upgrade on an i7 sooner than later. Hopefully Zen will press intel CPU prices down a notch.
There have been motherboards that support nvme types of storage on AM3+ for more than two years now.

I'd take the I3 any day of the week over the FX cpu. OC it to 4.5ghz and have better performance in 95% of tasks/games. Anyone that buys a FX cpu new, should be given the darwin award. At some point fanboyism needs to stop and rational thought needs to occur. I mean double the single thread score...
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I'd take the I3 any day of the week over the FX cpu. OC it to 4.5ghz and have better performance in 95% of tasks/games. Anyone that buys a FX cpu new, should be given the darwin award. At some point fanboyism needs to stop and rational thought needs to occur. I mean double the single thread score...

That's quite a leap considering that a FX 8370 can give the performance of a 6700K while gaming in properly multithreaded games, yes, it is true.

Try using an FX 8370 on BF4 Mantle or Thief Mantle, even plants vs zombies, a Fury X will sit on 100% usage even on 1080p all day long, the same is true for DirectX 12 games and a very few number of DX11 games, while in the games that don't use more than 3 cores making the other 5 cores of the FX useless you can still disable some geometry settings and you're good to go, not optimal yes but for 100-150$ while still performing the same of an i7 skylake on games where 8 cores are used (Examples above, mantle DirectX 12).

Not Fanboyism sorry, pragmatism.
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DX12 can't save Vishera. Nobody should be purchasing AM3 or a Vishera chip at this point. Putting the bottleneck on the GPU and attempting to use that data to compare processor performance is extremely dishonest.


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what the... i don't even... why FX6350... FX8320E had become so cheap, cheap enough to even have more cores per $, its the more logical puchase by this point of time, vishera is just way too old.
also, who needs that wraith cooler, someone who'd be sane enough to pick a vishera at this point of time wouldn't be using a stock cooler, they'd be OCing that thing on water or a big-fat air cooler.

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DX12 can't save Vishera. Nobody should be purchasing AM3 or a Vishera chip at this point. Putting the bottleneck on the GPU and attempting to use that data to compare processor performance is extremely dishonest.


wasn't that bench on stock? FX-8350 could surpass i3-6100 with a good OC, its the only thing that makes vishera decent.
Edited by epic1337 - 6/18/16 at 8:13am
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I'd take the I3 any day of the week over the FX cpu. OC it to 4.5ghz and have better performance in 95% of tasks/games. Anyone that buys a FX cpu new, should be given the darwin award. At some point fanboyism needs to stop and rational thought needs to occur. I mean double the single thread score...

Some of us have specific, yet very common needs. I have been playing a lot of battlefront , Witcher 3 and far cry primal this year. While primal is a GPU hog and comparatively light on the CPU , the other two are multi threading monsters where Vishera octos shine. Tell me again how my CPU ( which is several years old by now but still) is not a rational choice, given the low cost and stellar performance on these workloads. You are entitled to your opinion , just don't act as if it is the one, only paramount truth. In my book an enthusiast that looks to acquire a rig and slowly build upon that should go 1151. But if the target is to buy an affordable and game capable rig and never bother with it until it's replaced , then the FX line still makes sense within a budget.
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A amd FX 8300 + 970a-ud3 is cheaper than the i3 setup and more future proof

I wasn't going to reply until I saw this. Dude, seriously? How is that more "futureproof" than Intel? It's less in so many ways. So many ways, in fact, that I need to break out the bullet points:

  • AM3+ is D-E-D dead and will get no new releases (bar any new Vishera SKUs) while - ideally - LGA-1151 and the 100-series chipsets will see Kaby Lake and Cannonlake
  • The 950SB southbridge supports a ton of USB 2.0 ports - 14 of them - but zero are USB 3.0. Any USB 3.0 port will be from a third-party (e.g. ASMedia or Marvell) controller, same as with Intel before 2012's Ivy Bridge.
  • AM3+ supports DDR3 only and - officially - only DDR3-1866 with just two DIMMs. Can it run higher? Yes, but it's out of spec, and I'm not too confident in the memory controller given the restrictions with four DIMMs and dual-ranked DIMMs. Compare this to Kaveri at DDR3-2133, to say nothing of Skylake where DDR4-2133 is the minimum.
  • PCIe 2.0, while not a bottleneck, is outdated. GPUs support PCIe 3.0 of course, and for things such as Crossfire using XDMA (communicating across the PCIe bus rather than a Crossfire bridge) it can offer some nice improvements. (Though to be fair ASUS claimed they got PCIe 3.0 working for GPU to GPU communication... I think. It's strange.) Additionally it simply isn't enough for a number of PCIe SSDs either now or in the near future. You've got four lanes to work with, and AM3+ can only squeeze 2GB/s worth of bandwidth through them. Compare to PCIe 3.0's 3.9GB/s, nearly double the speed.
  • The northbridge is a separate chip. This is something we last saw with Intel's X58 platform. The 990FX northbridge is a tiny chip, smaller than a fingernail, yet has a TDP of 20W. The 970 die is rated for 14W IIRC, but it also has 22+4 PCIe lanes rather than 38+4. Because it's on the motherboard, quite a bit of latency is introduced. Compare this to AMD's solution starting with FM1, or Intel's starting with LGA-2011 and LGA-1156. The northbridge integrated into the CPU die itself reduces latency and power consumption dramatically.
  • Speaking of which, the northbridge-CPU and CPU-CPU link (for multi-socket systems) is called HyperTransport. This was a standard established in 2001, 15 years and 2 months ago. Put simply, I'm not sure the interconnect has changed since then. It's increased in frequency, sure, but I think the interconnect itself is based on 2001's tech. It doesn't help that AM3+ is only a few degrees separated from AM2. After all, AM2 chips fit in AM2+ sockets which accept AM3 chips that fit in AM3+ sockets. If you have a motherboard with an AM3 socket (and one hole poked in it for AM3+ processors) and both DDR2 and DDR3 slots, you can actually accept any AMD chip from 2006 to today. And who else but ASRock would make such a monstrosity?
  • NVMe support appears to be non-existent. There are a few new motherboards claiming to support it, but I'm skeptical that they really work. I'd stick with AHCI with AM3+ because I don't trust such a new standard on such an old platform. Given that more and more SSDs will be supporting NVMe, this really puts a damper on the futureproofiness of AM3+.


Don't buy AM3+ and expect a platform to last the ages. Processor performance aside - which is at best adequate - the platform itself is horribly outdated. The only way these new features are being supported it with some really weird tricks or with third-party controllers. I'd argue that, despite the lack of cores, FM2+ is going to last much longer than AM3+ can hope to, and that something such as Haswell or newer will be even better. X99 and Haswell-E are probably the futureproofiest option right now, that or Skylake and Z170.
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Some of us have specific, yet very common needs. I have been playing a lot of battlefront , Witcher 3 and far cry primal this year. While primal is a GPU hog and comparatively light on the CPU , the other two are multi threading monsters where Vishera octos shine. Tell me again how my CPU ( which is several years old by now but still) is not a rational choice, given the low cost and stellar performance on these workloads. You are entitled to your opinion , just don't act as if it is the one, only paramount truth. In my book an enthusiast that looks to acquire a rig and slowly build upon that should go 1151. But if the target is to buy an affordable and game capable rig and never bother with it until it's replaced , then the FX line still makes sense within a budget.


As a Vishera owner, I would say in most situations you're better off with Intel or waiting to see if Zen is any good.

Don't get me wrong, I like my Vishera chip. It's fun to OC on that unlocked multiplier. If you're new to overclocking it would be a decent place to start. I bought it early this year to upgrade an old Athlon II X3 455 CPU. The only reason I did it was because I had a good AM3+ motherboard and wanted to upgrade my CPU inexpensively. The CPU only cost me $100.

Whenever Zen comes out, it will be arguably be a good time to buy a Vishera based PC because there will likely be bargain prices, especially used. New motherboards capable of pushing 5 Ghz on 6350's and 8350's have already fallen into the $100 range. IE the new Asus Aura 970 or the MSI Gaming.

To those advocating for $50 Intel boards, that's a pretty serious corner to cut. Maybe there are some good boards out there, but in my experience $50 boards mean at least one of the following: bad bios, poor features, or runs hot. That's how I ended up with my current mobo, I had a $50 mobo and it drove me crazy. Don't plan on one day upgrading to an I7 or an unlocked Intel CPU on a $50 mobo.
    
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I'd like to see the i3 tested with faster sticks. Price difference between 2133Mhz and 3000Mhz is currently almost negligible so that'd be a completely relevant thing to do.
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