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Why? Bulldozer is nearing its 5th birthday... Let Vishera die already...

I agree #LetVisheraDie

(It was ok but the platform is too old now)
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I know alright, I know an i5 will always be a better choice than any FX CPU, I'm not contradicting that fact. What I'm saying is that an FX 8370 - 8350 can really be a monster CPU to consider when you're in a budget, can go used for as low as 30-40$ and if you happen to main a game with Mantle or DirectX 12 support then this CPU goes from competing against i3s to competing against i7 Skylake, for less than 50$ if you look well enough.

I will never recommend an FX processor unless you meet certain parameters like budget and certain games you play, but I will state the facts, fact is an i3 outperform the FX 8350 in most games but games with Mantle/DX12 and some DX11 Multi Threaded games the FX 8350 will compete again the best of the high end Skylake.

LOL, this is the closest thing to a $50 FX8350 I can find.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/AMD-FX-8300-Vishera-8-Core-3-3-GHz-Socket-AM3-95W-FD8300WMHKBOX-Desktop-Process-/381671340359?hash=item58dd627947:g:QVgAAOSwnNBXYbOf

By the end of the year or early next year, they might show up.
    
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LOL, this is the closest thing to a $50 FX8350 I can find.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/AMD-FX-8300-Vishera-8-Core-3-3-GHz-Socket-AM3-95W-FD8300WMHKBOX-Desktop-Process-/381671340359?hash=item58dd627947:g:QVgAAOSwnNBXYbOf

By the end of the year or early next year, they might show up.

They do show up from time to time, I bought mine for 70$ just 4 months ago.
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That's quite a leap considering that a FX 8370 can give the performance of a 6700K while gaming in properly multithreaded games, yes, it is true.

No, no it can't. My prior FX-9590 even with mantle on BF4 and my 290x still doesn't keep up with my stock 4790k, let alone a 6700k. Now before everyone goes "well once you overclock" please keep in mind the 6700k can overclock too, and gaining even 400mhz on a 6700k does a lot more than gaining 800mhz on an FX.

Sure they compete a lot closer to a sandy bridge i7, but even then a sandry bridge at 4,5ghz is still going to be quite a bit faster than an FX at 5ghz...

I cannot recommend the platform to anyone based on the age of it alone at this point. You'd be better served getting a low end intel mobo and non k version i5 or i7 for not much more and still walk away with a much newer, faster platform that also runs cooler.
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LOL, this is the closest thing to a $50 FX8350 I can find.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/AMD-FX-8300-Vishera-8-Core-3-3-GHz-Socket-AM3-95W-FD8300WMHKBOX-Desktop-Process-/381671340359?hash=item58dd627947:g:QVgAAOSwnNBXYbOf

By the end of the year or early next year, they might show up.

I swear to my mom, you give me a AMD FX for FREE and I'll throw it back to ya face period.

The only things that thing competes with i7 are Video Transcoding in Handbrake and data compression in 7-zip if it is about per/$ value, and in all other things any i3 is much cheaper, overall reliable, 99% times faster most of the time.

And you forget that that $50 FX still needs 8+2 phase board and an expensive CPU cooler and extraordinarily fast memory, which makes it irrelevant for perf/$ in 2016 as compared to i3s/pentium Gs. Yes that might be a great deal for someone whose current board supports FX and is currently running Phenom II.
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No, no it can't. My prior FX-9590 even with mantle on BF4 and my 290x still doesn't keep up with my stock 4790k, let alone a 6700k. Now before everyone goes "well once you overclock" please keep in mind the 6700k can overclock too, and gaining even 400mhz on a 6700k does a lot more than gaining 800mhz on an FX.

Never had lower performance on my FX with the same card compared to my i7 5820K on mantle games like Thief and Battlefield 4 on Crimson drivers.

Tell you what, you post benchmarks with an i7 running significantly faster than an FX processor on Thief or any Mantle game and I will swallow my words, fail to do that and you swallow yours.

Let the swallowing begin redface.gif
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I am a Kaveri User, owning a 7860k oc'd to the moon (4.5ghz) and I'm gpu bottlenecked on Witcher 3 Ultra 2560x1080 (21:9) with a r9 390x.

Remember APU only exist on max 4 cores at the moment. So no, having more than 4 cores I doubt anyone is bottlenecking its gpu with a vishera oc'd.

Core i3 are fast 'cause their IPC is really good, yes. But they still are 2 cores. 4 threads useful when you run only one app, not when you're a power user with multiple applications running. The threads don't do good on different app at the same time. It's the most efficient when running one thing all the way.

We are in 2016. Never would I go back to a dual core, even if it has IPC going to the moon. I use too many apps for that.

Yes AM3+ is dead platform, disappearing at the end of the year. It's still budget and good enough for a lot of people, and "future proof" as 8 cores allow a LOT of things on a computer.

All is not only about gaming, is it? Do you think games will continue being single threaded until the end of times? Do you really think a multi threated bench is giving the edge to a core i3 over a FX? Even with far better IPC, don't think so.

.. and it's dirt cheap for what it is.

You are right about a lot of things: AM3+ is clearly outdated. But well a lot of people don't care about the MB features to begin with.

GPU bottlenecked in TW3 isn't a huge accomplishment. It's pretty demanding on the GPU, and you have max settings at 1080p + 33% width.

I'm not sure you understand what we're dealing with with Bulldozer and its spawn. It's not a good design. There's more details than I'm willing to go into on my phone, but the shared resources aren't just the FPUs. Kaveri's four cores are, in general, preferable to Vishera's eight. Proper multithreading is really hard to do in anything that isn't embarassingly parallel (such as graphics, which is why GPUs have thousands of cores) and fewer, faster cores are much better than more, slower cores. Why else can an FX-8000 at best tie an i5? The i5's powerful cores compensate for the lack of them in multicore, while the better design is far superior in singlecore.

Yeah, and those four threads in an i3? Despite having two cores with SMT, it still beats AMD's with four physical cores. Again, Bulldozer is a really bad design.

Good thing an i3 is a quad-core as far as a good scheduler is concerned. Four threads can be addressed in much the same way as a 2M/4C Bulldzoer chip.

Yeah eight cores are nice, but they're crappy cores. They're dated cores that don't have the newest instructions supported, meaning their adequate-at-best performance simply can't last forever. They're based on a design that basically repeated the Pentium 4, trading per cycle performance for frequency. And we all know how the P4 ended up.

It isn't about gaming obviously, but you're moving the goalposts. "An FX-8350 is really great in things like video rendering!" is an argument I see a lot. But, seriously, what percentage of users do that regularly? If they're doing it for money, then the extra income should let them get a workstation-y chip such as a cheap Xeon. And finally, did you read the article at all? An FX-6350 is under 10% faster than an i3. It has three times the physical cores and is barely any faster. That's pretty embarassing. As for games being multithreaded, as said before, multithreading is really hard. It's not like you can input a value for the num_cores_used function in the dev menu or something. AAA titles can handle it because they have the resources, but don't count on it for Indie games.

People don't care about motherboard features, huh? That explains why nobody buys M.2 SSDs, why nobody cares about NVMe in their new system, why USB is of no concern, why upgrade paths are never mentioned, why nobody cares about expansion slots... At this point I'd argue that the platform and features supported are becoming more important than raw CPU performance.
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Never had lower performance on my FX with the same card compared to my i7 5820K on mantle games like Thief and Battlefield 4 on Crimson drivers.

Tell you what, you post benchmarks with an i7 running significantly faster than an FX processor on Thief or any Mantle game and I will swallow my words, fail to do that and you swallow yours.

Let the swallowing begin redface.gif

The fact is that I no longer own the FX 9590, or my prior 8350 or my prior 8120... I can't really do much in the way of apples to apples benchmarking. That said, my 9590 was paired with a crosshair v formula z mobo, trident-x 2400mhz 2x 8gb (and yes, it ran at 2400mhz cas10 no problem) and my 290x... pretty much the best you could buy from AMD at the time aside from a crosshair setup. My 4790k with the memory at 2400mhz is faster in every game I've thrown at it, and there is plenty of supporting evidence through the hundreds of benchmarks on the net saying the same...

I can make any cpu look equal if there is a gpu bottleneck... I upgraded to a 4790k when I was at 1080p and the difference is obviously much larger there.. Now that I've been on 4k for 1.5 years the cpu is the least of my worries.
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If you buy now, get the FX 8300 for less than the i3 and performs better

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLkaNWo0EV0

Yeah but the FX 8300 are garbage for overclocking. They're literally binned based on the numbering.

8300 = Bad
8320 = Decent
8350 = Good
8370-9590 = Best

Strictly in terms of overclocking. Saw it on reddit when AMD's main rep guy revealed this to people looking to buy chips.
     
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