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Completely depends on motherboard choice. The cheapest 1151 quad is around 80€ more so unless one's satisfied with the absolute cheapest 60€ boards, Z170 might be something to consider. They're not that much more than the B- and H-series.

 

No, I mean that most H110, H150 and H170 boards don't support anything higher than 2133MHz in their BIOS. Z170 is practically required to both overclock an i3 and enjoy higher memory speeds with it. 

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Completely depends on motherboard choice. The cheapest 1151 quad is around 80€ more so unless one's satisfied with the absolute cheapest 60€ boards, Z170 might be something to consider. They're not that much more than the B- and H-series.

Wut, when did I said this? I have no memories of that.
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you were still GPU limited in most cases.
no , everything about the FX system is worse. Higher power consumption, lack of pci-3.0, lack of ddr4, lack of nvme storage options, dead cpu socket. The FX system might perform better down the road than the current I3 thanks to having a higher core count, but the Intel platform is far more future proof, as you can always upgrade from the i3, to a I7.

While it's generally true the chipset doesn't support these features there do exist now motherboards with NVME and PCIE 3.0 support. that came out in the past year.

There's only like 2 or 3 of them but they exist.
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No, I mean that most H110, H150 and H170 boards don't support anything higher than 2133MHz in their BIOS. Z170 is practically required to both overclock an i3 and enjoy higher memory speeds with it. 
I kind of meant that if someone's going to need one of those H170/B170/whatever-boards that cost only 0-30€ less than Z170 ones, they could very well buy Z170 instead of getting a quad core that costs significantly more.
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While it's generally true the chipset doesn't support these features there do exist now motherboards with NVME and PCIE 3.0 support. that came out in the past year.

There's only like 2 or 3 of them but they exist.

wish people would stop quoting this. THE AMD FX platforms do not natively support pci 3.0 or NVME storage options. So what if a few board makers shoehorned some of that stuff in later down the road, name one of them that doesn't suck? the msi gaming 970 board? the Asrock extreme 6? both are subpar options.

just to clarify my earlier point, it's just not worth mentioning.
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I kind of meant that if someone's going to need one of those H170/B170/whatever-boards that cost only 0-30€ less than Z170 ones, they could very well buy Z170 instead of getting a quad core that costs significantly more.

Oh, I see your point now. Mine was that those boards don't typically support memory speeds higher than 2133MHz, so anyone overclocking an i3 tends to go that route anyway. We're just speaking over each other at this point, and I think we're basically in agreement over the same thing.
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Wut, when did I said this? I have no memories of that.

LOL. Someone quoted my post and accidentally edited it to look like you said it. Commonly happens on mobile. xD
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I wouldn't recommend a Vishera chip simply because AM3+ is dead.

I also wouldn't use these chips unless you overclock them past 4.3 GHz.

I only use it because I already had the mobo, AIO CPU cooler, etc. from my Phenom II build from early 2012.

Not that the i3 is hugely better or anything.

God knows Intel sockets last as long as wet toilet paper.

I'd buy into Zen and AM4 simply because there is a good track record from AMD indicating it will also support Zen+ and Zen++

However, I'm keeping my Vishera rig intact for the next few years to see how the CPU scales with REAL DX12 and Vulkan titles... even on the newest GPUs.
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I wouldn't recommend a Vishera chip simply because AM3+ is dead.

I also wouldn't use these chips unless you overclock them past 4.3 GHz.

I only use it because I already had the mobo, AIO CPU cooler, etc. from my Phenom II build from early 2012.

Not that the i3 is hugely better or anything.

God knows Intel sockets last as long as wet toilet paper.

I'd buy into Zen and AM4 simply because there is a good track record from AMD indicating it will also support Zen+ and Zen++

However, I'm keeping my Vishera rig intact for the next few years to see how the CPU scales with REAL DX12 and Vulkan titles... even on the newest GPUs.

Considering the chipsets are all on the CPU we should never need to replace the board when upgrading unless something distinct enough no longer interfaces with the new chip.
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DX12 can't save Vishera. Nobody should be purchasing AM3 or a Vishera chip at this point. Putting the bottleneck on the GPU and attempting to use that data to compare processor performance is extremely dishonest.





"attempting to use that data to compare processor performance is extremely dishonest" thumb.gif





expected reply will be along the lines of who plays at 1440p or higher with a 980TI or Fury X on High Graphics. 640x480 low graphic detail all they way.
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RTS games are not a strong suit for Vishera, DX12 or not.

Game benchmarks that I take with a grain of salt are:

AotS - or any RTS game, unless I actually play it. The AI slams the CPU way more than most other games.
GTAV - poorly programmed for multiple cores.
Shadows of Mordor - abnormally high VRAM usage for what the game does

There still isn't a good DX12/ Vulkan stress test out there, and it might be 1 or 2 years until we get it.
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