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I think it should be named "You can't make a real cooler out of a CLC" AKA "You can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear". tongue.gif

While that thread does need to be made.......in terms of push/pull on 27-30mm thick rads, it applies to all rads. Take a look at Xtreme Rigs testing (http://www.xtremerigs.net/2015/02/11/radiator-round-2015/5/). You look at the slim rads and they see less than 10% increase of total dissipation capability by adding another set of fans. So....that nets you, what, maybe a degree in liquid temp? Which in turn becomes a quarter of a degree in component temp? So, you are out ~$40+, have to listen to two more fans, and have dropped your temp by less than one degree.

Now, in the case of a CLC, where you need the obnoxious fan speeds for it to do anything, that is a substantial amount of noise we are talking about.

Unless you are one of the lucky posters here whose world is not defined by physics as we know it. In that case, you added two fans, this made your CLC completely silent, and temps dropped by 30 degrees "while gaming". Your My Little Pony also came to life and brought you a chocolate milk while you were benchmarking.
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Originally Posted by ciarlatano View Post

While that thread does need to be made.......in terms of push/pull on 27-30mm thick rads, it applies to all rads. Take a look at Xtreme Rigs testing (http://www.xtremerigs.net/2015/02/11/radiator-round-2015/5/). You look at the slim rads and they see less than 10% increase of total dissipation capability by adding another set of fans. So....that nets you, what, maybe a degree in liquid temp? Which in turn becomes a quarter of a degree in component temp? So, you are out ~$40+, have to listen to two more fans, and have dropped your temp by less than one degree.

Now, in the case of a CLC, where you need the obnoxious fan speeds for it to do anything, that is a substantial amount of noise we are talking about.

Unless you are one of the lucky posters here whose world is not defined by physics as we know it. In that case, you added two fans, this made your CLC completely silent, and temps dropped by 30 degrees "while gaming". Your My Little Pony also came to life and brought you a chocolate milk while you were benchmarking.

I strongly agree with this. More fans =/= practical.
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With the 3x GT front intakes and 2x GT radiator exhaust I would not even use an exhaust fan.

We want case to have more intake airflow potential than exhaust. airflow potential. I say potential because the case flows exactly the same amount of air in as it flows out. The laws of physics say it has to.l wink.gif Having slightly more intake than exhaust flow potential means the case has slightly higher pressure differential between inside of case and room, so the extra flow leaks out of case to make up the difference. Running a 140mm rear exhaust combined wiht 2x radiator exhaust fans give case more exhaust than intake potential, means slightly lower pressure differential inside of case compared to room, so air leaks into case from room to make up the difference.

Yes,l they make the same noise as others at same rpm. Using 5x GT 2150rpm PWM with a PWM splitter or hub so all are speed controlled the same as radiator fans and none will run at full speed. I would guess even when stress testing they will not reach full speed .. because if radiator keeps CPU at about 60c they will be spinning at about 1600rpm, maybe less. I don't know what the PWM version will idle down to, but the variable voltgae will idle down to below 200rpm.
Answered above, PWM hub or splitter that uses PSU power Gelid make a nice cable splitter. Several others, including Swiftech make PWM hubs. Do not go Phanteks PWM hub because it is not a PWM hub. It is a PWM to variable voltage adapter hub.

I already have a good PWM hub/ Splitter that is currently running the Deltas. Just looked at my order history. It is the Swiftech 8-Way PWM Cable Splitter - SATA Power (8W-PWM-SPL-ST. So you are saying that running all the fans off of the splitter plugged in to my CPU header is my best bet? That's what I am currently doing for the Deltas. My board works out well doing that anyways because it has the AI suite app that allows you to set your own fan speed curves as well as do manual fan control. It can also run a tune on your fans to see how low of RPM they can go on PWM.

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I think it should be named "You can't make a real cooler out of a CLC" AKA "You can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear". tongue.gif

I was just comparing AP-14 and PH-F120MP on H80 radiator. Similar noise level, ariflow and rpm up to about 800rpm, then PH-F120MP needed more rpm to match. At full speed both have about same performance; AP-14 is 1424rpm, F120MP is 1700rpm.

Phanteks PH-F120MP is very impressive considering how much more expensive AP-14 are.

I hardly consider this thing a radiator.... I would have a nice air cooler instead of the H100i but I ended up getting it for like 30 bucks from my local Best Buy due to a pricing mistake. Couldn't pass that up lol.
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I hardly consider this thing a radiator.... I would have a nice air cooler instead of the H100i but I ended up getting it for like 30 bucks from my local Best Buy due to a pricing mistake. Couldn't pass that up lol.

Hmmm.....before we go any further, there is an OT question I would like you to answer. Is a $200 Chinese guitar as good as any guitar ever made if set up to your liking? I am not posting any further info until you answer. wink.gif

And @doyll just spit his coffee (or ale....it's after noon there) on his keyboard......biggrin.gif
post #25 of 31
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Originally Posted by ciarlatano View Post

While that thread does need to be made.......in terms of push/pull on 27-30mm thick rads, it applies to all rads. Take a look at Xtreme Rigs testing (http://www.xtremerigs.net/2015/02/11/radiator-round-2015/5/). You look at the slim rads and they see less than 10% increase of total dissipation capability by adding another set of fans. So....that nets you, what, maybe a degree in liquid temp? Which in turn becomes a quarter of a degree in component temp? So, you are out ~$40+, have to listen to two more fans, and have dropped your temp by less than one degree.

Now, in the case of a CLC, where you need the obnoxious fan speeds for it to do anything, that is a substantial amount of noise we are talking about.

Unless you are one of the lucky posters here whose world is not defined by physics as we know it. In that case, you added two fans, this made your CLC completely silent, and temps dropped by 30 degrees "while gaming". Your My Little Pony also came to life and brought you a chocolate milk while you were benchmarking.
You are preaching to the choir mate. the chois that is defined by physics, My Little Pony broke it's leg and had to be put down and the chocolate milk soured.
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I already have a good PWM hub/ Splitter that is currently running the Deltas. Just looked at my order history. It is the Swiftech 8-Way PWM Cable Splitter - SATA Power (8W-PWM-SPL-ST. So you are saying that running all the fans off of the splitter plugged in to my CPU header is my best bet? That's what I am currently doing for the Deltas. My board works out well doing that anyways because it has the AI suite app that allows you to set your own fan speed curves as well as do manual fan control. It can also run a tune on your fans to see how low of RPM they can go on PWM.
I hardly consider this thing a radiator.... I would have a nice air cooler instead of the H100i but I ended up getting it for like 30 bucks from my local Best Buy due to a pricing mistake. Couldn't pass that up lol.
Good hub.

Did you notice how incredibly light it is? For 30 buck I don't think I would have bought it. Only reason I have H80 is to use it's restrictive radiator to test 120mm fans. It was a throw-away so was free. Reason I grabbed it was it had 2x AP-14 fans on it, so I went dumpster diving. Snorkle.gif
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Hmmm.....before we go any further, there is an OT question I would like you to answer. Is a $200 Chinese guitar as good as any guitar ever made if set up to your liking? I am not posting any further info until you answer. wink.gif

And @doyll just spit his coffee (or ale....it's after noon there) on his keyboard......biggrin.gif


Hahahaha that's a complicated question.... I could say yes because if it is to my liking then there is very little chance that I would get more satisfaction out of something better. I could say no because it is quite obviously not better in reality.

To answer your OT question on question though I am going with yes because my Corsair cooler completely meets my needs and has no problem keeping my CPU cool at 4.4ghz which is about all the faster I will be bothered to OC it.

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You are preaching to the choir mate. the chois that is defined by physics, My Little Pony broke it's leg and had to be put down and the chocolate milk soured.
Good hub.

Did you notice how incredibly light it is? For 30 buck I don't think I would have bought it. Only reason I have H80 is to use it's restrictive radiator to test 120mm fans. It was a throw-away so was free. Reason I grabbed it was it had 2x AP-14 fans on it, so I went dumpster diving. Snorkle.gif

When I bought that hub I was so frustrated I didn't care what it cost or how it was constructed as long as it worked. I had two of the cheapo PWM splitters that just used a bunch of wires all wired together with a molex connector from Amazon running my Deltas and they were causing all kinds of issues. I thought it was an issue with my motherboard and was all set to RMA it and then I unplugged the fans and it was fine.
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Hahahaha that's a complicated question.... I could say yes because if it is to my liking then there is very little chance that I would get more satisfaction out of something better. I could say no because it is quite obviously not better in reality.

To answer your OT question on question though I am going with yes because my Corsair cooler completely meets my needs and has no problem keeping my CPU cool at 4.4ghz which is about all the faster I will be bothered to OC it.

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The question was legitimately about guitars (and instruments, in general). We had a poster (who considers himself a luthier) in another thread state that there is no difference between a $200 Chinese made guitar and anything else. It was a great frame of reference for how he viewed things, and to not pay attention to anything he had to say on any subject. But, really, I was just messing with @doyll since the two of them got into it. I didn't bother getting into it with him.....I just picked up my Jazzmaster and thought, "my $200 Squier Strat doesn't quite live up to this.......".
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And they're off.....talking about push/pull on a slim rad.....a really inefficient slim rad, at that...... doh.gif

There needs to be a guide for doing that - "Ways To Higher Noise Levels With Extremely No to Extremely Limited Performance Gains".
I'm glad you set a better (topic-related) example biggrin.gif
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The question was legitimately about guitars (and instruments, in general). We had a poster (who considers himself a luthier) in another thread state that there is no difference between a $200 Chinese made guitar and anything else. It was a great frame of reference for how he viewed things, and to not pay attention to anything he had to say on any subject. But, really, I was just messing with @doyll since the two of them got into it. I didn't bother getting into it with him.....I just picked up my Jazzmaster and thought, "my $200 Squier Strat doesn't quite live up to this.......".

Hahaha well if that is the case I will say I have held some guitars that were worth more than my car and I wouldn't say they played all that much nicer than lets say a $2000 or $3000 guitar but I guess there is a point of diminishing returns, and there is also the fact that it's not up to just playability that determines the cost at that price point. I definitely had the dilema when I went to buy my Tele. The $200 squier one played and felt like crap next to the American one that I ended up with. Granted mine was like $1200 but I did feel like it was worth the extra money in playability, build quality, component quality and sound quality even though they were the same style and color and basically did the same thing. thumb.gif
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