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Sealed all in one coolers are one of the biggest sellers in the PC cooling industry however they have a massive downside and that is there life span. This were custom cooling or OAIO’s (open all in one) is much better and simply put, over a long period of time works out cheaper if done correctly.

The main reason for SAIO’s (sealed all in one) coolers to fail is there usage of Glycols in there coolants, these Glycols are present in high ratios (% of glycol to water / carrier fluid) making them less thermally efficient but also they cause a secondary issue. The second issue is that glycols when heated up over a period of time becomes thicker and this in turn wreaks havoc on their small internal pumps. Eventually these pumps fail not because of usage but because they simply cannot handle the viscosity of glycols when they thicken up. When using a custom cooling loop or an OAIO you can easily and frequently replace there coolants and refresh the system negating this issue of Glycols getting thicker.

Reviewers of AIO’s never look for the long term effects of such systems and never inform uneducated users of such issues. Like an old saying measure twice cut once, well think twice buy once!!!!
Edited by Mayhem - 6/19/16 at 4:05am
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Reviewers of AIO’s never look for the long term effects of such systems and never inform uneducated users of such issues. Like an old saying measure twice cut once, well think twice buy once!!!!

I take exception to that wink.gif. I have done 20+ CLC reviews published on two large sites. I mentioned poor longevity, atrocious noise/performance and terrible price/performance in every one of those reviews. As soon as the Swiftech H220 was released, I also said that CLCs in their current form were living on borrowed time, and would die the death of the trendy fad they are as open loop, expandable AiO became more available, and that air cooling certainly wasn't going away any time in the near future (lots of fun backlash to deal with there). Also, as you state, doing it right works out better and cheaper in the long run. I can't count the number of posts I have made here and in reviews showing this with examples - granted the "I'm gonna buy a $120 CLC and add $90 of fans for push pull for a $210 CLC" posts make it really easy......

Good to see an industry person of your stature finally coming out and saying this. It has been said to me in private conversation many times, but no one wants issues with their working partnerships.
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I always had doubts about the durability of CLC's,according to you when do they start to display the behaviour described by you?
Edited by GoLDii3 - 6/19/16 at 6:24am
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I've always had doubts about the durability of CLC's,according to you when do they start to display the behaviour described by you?

The poor price/performance and noise/performance are evident from the date of purchase. The breakdown of worsening performance and failure described by @Mayhem will vary by amount of usage and type of usage.
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I take exception to that wink.gif. Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
I have done 20+ CLC reviews published on two large sites. I mentioned poor longevity, atrocious noise/performance and terrible price/performance in every one of those reviews. As soon as the Swiftech H220 was released, I also said that CLCs in their current form were living on borrowed time, and would die the death of the trendy fad they are as open loop, expandable AiO became more available, and that air cooling certainly wasn't going away any time in the near future (lots of fun backlash to deal with there). Also, as you state, doing it right works out better and cheaper in the long run. I can't count the number of posts I have made here and in reviews showing this with examples - granted the "I'm gonna buy a $120 CLC and add $90 of fans for push pull for a $210 CLC" posts make it really easy......

Good to see an industry person of your stature finally coming out and saying this. It has been said to me in private conversation many times, but no one wants issues with their working partnerships.
Indeed, you are the exception. thumb.gif
In more ways than one. tongue.gif

Yes, it is good to see professionals get off the fence and say it like it really is.
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I dumped my H90 last month in favor of a coolermaster hyper 212 EVO. CPU runs at the same frequency, is quieter, and is running at the same temp as it was under the H90. Reason I replaced it was I was hearing gurgling noises from the H90, figured best to be proactive and replace it before it breaks and takes something out with it. I had the H90 for 3.5 years
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I'do still have one i7920 (x58 system) running @ 3.6 x24H along the Asetek LCLC (OEM) from 2008.
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I have an original Corsair H100 that's been running fine every day for 4 years ... cools the same as it did the day I installed it. I've seen no degradation or otherwise signs that it won't last another four years.
    
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Like I asked in the last thread about this,

Find me a better cooler for 45 USD with 3" clearance and I'd be game. CLC's were popular among SFF users and somehow it spilled over into every desktop, not sure why though for the 120mm models
    
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Sorry ciarlatano i may have missed your reviews. Please PM me a link smile.gif thank you.

My main post relay is not a Dig more of a warning that were seeing happening more and more. We mainly see it in high heat load system with an AIO, low heat systems seem to fair much better.
Edited by Mayhem - 6/19/16 at 8:37am
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