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My Nepton 280L (which was on sale and has quite a strong pump) is my guinea pig; first AIO I've used in a personal build for any length of time.

About 12k hours on the pump now with no noticeable degradation in performance. I'll see how it fares after another 20k hours.
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Thing is a $50 air cooler will perform as well and quieter than a CLC, last much longer, and when it does need a component (fan) replaced is much cheaper to get.

I have some top-end heatsinks and none of them really rival the 280L I'm using in cooling performance, even when I use the same fans. At low noise levels, there isn't a terribly large difference, but as air flow increases, my heatsinks fall further and further behind.

Same pattern with all of my Intel hex core parts going back to the LGA-1366 days, as well as my AMD FX octo-core parts. Past about 200-250w of CPU heat production, getting heat to the fins becomes the limiting factor more than surface area or air flow, and this AIO is proving to be closer to my custom loops than my air coolers.
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Look I'm not going to derail the thread to argue with you. I'm not saying custom loops are not better. All I'm saying is they have their place in the market. My point to this was provide you reference that some people do not do it out of laziness and argue that 99.9% of air coolers do not work as well as a CLC. Are CLCs going to be around forever? No they won't as OCLC will take over this market now that it has a proven worth. Above OCLC custom loop is still king. Yes these are facts but my CLC cost me $90 on sale and works great. It allowed my to keep the important components nice and cool. Are they quiet while running full tilt? No but the variability built into the CLCs now days allow it to operate silently when idle which is good enough for the majority of users.


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Can I ask you a question, you mention your CLC cost you $90, what is it?
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Look I'm not going to derail the thread to argue with you. I'm not saying custom loops are not better. All I'm saying is they have their place in the market. My point to this was provide you reference that some people do not do it out of laziness and argue that 99.9% of air coolers do not work as well as a CLC. Are CLCs going to be around forever? No they won't as OCLC will take over this market now that it has a proven worth. Above OCLC custom loop is still king. Yes these are facts but my CLC cost me $90 on sale and works great. It allowed my to keep the important components nice and cool. Are they quiet while running full tilt? No but the variability built into the CLCs now days allow it to operate silently when idle which is good enough for the majority of users.


Always destroying exergy

Can I ask you a question, you mention your CLC cost you $90, what is it?
It's an h100i V2 but I've replaced the fans with nf-f12 fans since I had them laying around from previous builds.


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It's an h100i V2 but I've replaced the fans with nf-f12 fans since I had them laying around from previous builds.


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So when you mention "waterforce" cooling the VRM< you were cherry picking for argument sake? Because the H100i doesn't cover the VRM's on the 980ti.
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I think you misread my post. I wasn't bashing AIO coolers, nor was I against air coolers, actually quite the contrary. I'm all for air cooling based on the longevity of the life of the fan and no potential leaks...etc...

In my experience I've had better performing AIO coolers than my air coolers, but I know some air coolers are right there in line with AIOs...
My reply was directly to the false logic in your " they're 2nd to none compared to my smaller air cooling" statement. There are many 'bigger air coolers' that out-perform any CLC out there when noise levels are equal .. and 'bigger air cooler' with high performance fans at similar noise levels t CLC fans are 7-9c better cooling.

There is all kinds of accurate data showing air doing a as good and better than CLCs. Most of the users who find CLCs give them better cooling than a good air cooler do not have system airflow set up properly and are supplying their cooler with much hotter air then there CLC replacement gets.

One of the best is this German test of Sivler Arrow SB-E , Extreme and H100

Edited by doyll - 6/23/16 at 8:04am
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It's an h100i V2 but I've replaced the fans with nf-f12 fans since I had them laying around from previous builds.


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So when you mention "waterforce" cooling the VRM< you were cherry picking for argument sake? Because the H100i doesn't cover the VRM's on the 980ti.
Huh? Waterforce is the AIO cooler that gigabyte uses on their top end xtreme edition GPUs. You buy the GPU with the cooling block radiator and fan already part of the GPU. Each GPU in my system is attached to a 120mm rad. So technically it uses 3 separate loops. Only one of which is an addition and that's the h100i V2 which only cools the CPU.


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Huh? Waterforce is the AIO cooler that gigabyte uses on their top end xtreme edition GPUs. You buy the GPU with the cooling block radiator and fan already part of the GPU. Each GPU in my system is attached to a 120mm rad. So technically it uses 3 separate loops. Only one of which is an addition and that's the h100i V2 which only cools the CPU.


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Ok, I get you. You mentioned the $90 CLC you used and I had to ask.
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Originally Posted by Cakewalk_S View Post

I think you misread my post. I wasn't bashing AIO coolers, nor was I against air coolers, actually quite the contrary. I'm all for air cooling based on the longevity of the life of the fan and no potential leaks...etc...

In my experience I've had better performing AIO coolers than my air coolers, but I know some air coolers are right there in line with AIOs...


One of the best is this German test of Sivler Arrow SB-E , Extreme and H100
Great data I will add one caveat though. The majority of the noise from the system is not the pump but rather the unnecessary noise the fans produce. The stock fans on the CLCs are garbage which unless you have them around like I did is an added expense that needs to be taken into account. Switching fans did not reduce temps however but it did reduce the noise 10 fold.


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Originally Posted by doyll View Post

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Originally Posted by Cakewalk_S View Post

I think you misread my post. I wasn't bashing AIO coolers, nor was I against air coolers, actually quite the contrary. I'm all for air cooling based on the longevity of the life of the fan and no potential leaks...etc...

In my experience I've had better performing AIO coolers than my air coolers, but I know some air coolers are right there in line with AIOs...


One of the best is this German test of Sivler Arrow SB-E , Extreme and H100
Great data I will add one caveat though. The majority of the noise from the system is not the pump but rather the unnecessary noise the fans produce. The stock fans on the CLCs are garbage which unless you have them around like I did is an added expense that needs to be taken into account. Switching fans did not reduce temps however but it did reduce the noise 10 fold.


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Originally Posted by superkyle1721 View Post

Huh? Waterforce is the AIO cooler that gigabyte uses on their top end xtreme edition GPUs. You buy the GPU with the cooling block radiator and fan already part of the GPU. Each GPU in my system is attached to a 120mm rad. So technically it uses 3 separate loops. Only one of which is an addition and that's the h100i V2 which only cools the CPU.


Always destroying exergy
Ok, I get you. You mentioned the $90 CLC you used and I had to ask.
Yeah no problem. I'm away from my rig but it should be linked in my sig. Not sure if it appears though since I'm posting via phone right now.


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