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What is short term when a lot of us upgrade fairly often? My h100 is approaching 5 years old and the temps are the same as day 1. Fans are the same as well. Worth it.
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Originally Posted by Ceadderman View Post

Get back to me when you've had it for 10 years.

iirc Warranty period was 5 years. I expect there to be a year or two overlap in coverage on everything with a reasonably long warranty period. 7 years is good, but I'll be more impressed with 10 years. thumb.gif

My old h50 which I sold is just now approaching the EoL of it's warranty. I think it's got ~1yr left. biggrin.gif

~Ceadder smil3dbd4e4c2e742.gif

Almost 8 years at this point, cooling just like the first day. I have yet to see a H50 having its pump fail, maybe that's because they all were made with strong pumps capable of lasting longer than 8 years, and even if it does dies before the 10 years mark... It's 50$ freaking dollars for Christ sake, I won't build a custom loop just so I can change its coolant every 8 years, I'd rather buy another 50$ Closed Loop, I'd just have to buy around 8 closed loops in my entire life, if I even get to live that long that is.[/quote]

Yeah I got it. And I certainly wasn't picking on you just in case you came away thinking that.

Shoot Custom loopers change their coolant a lot more than once every 8 years. Especially dye loopers.

I used straight distilled no dye no additives myself. And I change my coolant every 6 months if I can help it. Distilled is cheap enough and it helps keep algae from forming in the loop.

I'm not suggesting that you need to go full custom. I'd seriously consider it though. You'd be surprised how much better your system would run on Water. Of course I didn't sit around all smug with myself with my h50. But then I bought and used my h50 as a minor experiment with water cooling. It impressed me enough that I decided to go Custom.

I've recently added Thermospheres to my Crossfire kit and modded Swiftech heatsinks to allow them to fit over the top of them.



You could do this even on a CLC but you'd have to mod the CLC to allow the use of cooling blocks. Back when I was part of the Corsair h50 club, we had a couple guys mod theirs and add their GPU and Res etc. I thought they were pretty neat, albeit a little insane for carving one up. But it's not like they spent a metric crapton of money on their cooler though. biggrin.gif

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Sorry, I mistyped "110" instead of "100", which is what you alluded to here:
I don't need to "read the reviews". I have tested these units in the controlled environment. With no ad money or fear that I won't get any more free products at stake.

So you buy all these units out of your own pocket for testing?
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My statements come from experience of using and testing the products, yours come from cherry picking through reviews about products you have never been in the same room with and pure supposition - and you couldn't even get them right with the S24 having similar performance to the H105 (and better than the H100) at much lower noise levels in the TPU review.

The TPU review showed similar noise levels between the H105 and the S24.
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And leaks? You brought up leaks. You made a stink about a single NewEgg review (really...NewEgg for WaCo, why not use WalMart reviews for surgical instruments) stating that a single unit arrived leaking. I merely pointed out that Corsair shipped hundreds of leaking H110i GT units and had to stop selling them - that is a MUCH larger issue. And as far as one leaking Swiftech....really? One? A unit that was thrown around like a basketball by UPS or FedEx? That could cause any unit to leak.

Read Amazon reviews (there are many more). Numerous people (not one or two, but numerous) have said that the reservoir on the Swiftech is a super thin, crappy acrylic that cracks just "by looking at it" to quote one reviewer. It seems the res was so cheap that it either arrived cracked or cracked sometime after. To me, poor engineering practices and poor QC on a product that costs a premium is unacceptable. Swifttech is using the cheapest parts possible and then marking up the price. Of course, to be fair, I can't say they are the only ones doing this. Pretty much all of this stuff is made in some Chinese plant that churns them out by the thousands and then rebranded. he same goes for pretty much every electronic product on earth.
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Perhaps you should try something novel.....like trying to buy components from specialized liquid cooling manufacturers from a liquid cooling distributor? They get filled with shipments from Swiftech first - http://www.performance-pcs.com/complete-kits/shopby/brand--swiftech/

Haha. I have been around the block in other industries. I know that "specialized" shops are typically nothing but shops that charge much more for the same stuff. Why would I buy from "Bob's PC Performance and Cooling" when I can get the SAME PRODUCT with the SAME SKU and model number from Amazon for less? Yes, it's unfortunate that the "little guy" out there has a hard time competing with these corporate giants, but that's not my fault.
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Swiftech manufacturers all of their own pieces in their own factory. They will not outsource and lose QC to produce more. Demand outweighs supply on their units, its that simple.

You mean they have Chinese plants make them for pennies on the dollar and then mark them up 5000% at retail.. (Same as Corsair and all the rest, BTW).
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lol they get so mad when they say a h100 lasts 5 years and works fine, well well make it 10 years!!! look dudes... i upgrade my rig ever 3-4 years anyway... I don't need to get back to you in 10 years lol 90 bucks for an h100, and in 5 years the h115 for 100 bucks, and so on and so forth


personally i just use noctua nh-d14 and i like it, but i would have no issue trusting a highend newer model corsair AIO for my cooling, i think you guys are being illogical about it.
    
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So you buy all these units out of your own pocket for testing?
The TPU review showed similar noise levels between the H105 and the S24.
Read Amazon reviews (there are many more). Numerous people (not one or two, but numerous) have said that the reservoir on the Swiftech is a super thin, crappy acrylic that cracks just "by looking at it" to quote one reviewer. It seems the res was so cheap that it either arrived cracked or cracked sometime after. To me, poor engineering practices and poor QC on a product that costs a premium is unacceptable. Swifttech is using the cheapest parts possible and then marking up the price. Of course, to be fair, I can't say they are the only ones doing this. Pretty much all of this stuff is made in some Chinese plant that churns them out by the thousands and then rebranded. he same goes for pretty much every electronic product on earth.
Haha. I have been around the block in other industries. I know that "specialized" shops are typically nothing but shops that charge much more for the same stuff. Why would I buy from "Bob's PC Performance and Cooling" when I can get the SAME PRODUCT with the SAME SKU and model number from Amazon for less? Yes, it's unfortunate that the "little guy" out there has a hard time competing with these corporate giants, but that's not my fault.
You mean they have Chinese plants make them for pennies on the dollar and then mark them up 5000% at retail.. (Same as Corsair and all the rest, BTW).

It amazes me that absolutely everything you state is incorrect and completely unresearched....from the model and reviews of Swiftech with the res issue (that you have no idea how it concluded), to the fact that PPC is lower priced than Amazon on the units. You really couldn't even be bothered to notice something that simple? You blindly talk about what you want to be true rather than what is true.
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I have subscribed to this thread not bc of the coolant degradation but to the sheer amusement of how serious people take to the fact that CLC are being hated on lol.


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lol they get so mad when they say a h100 lasts 5 years and works fine, well well make it 10 years!!! look dudes... i upgrade my rig ever 3-4 years anyway... I don't need to get back to you in 10 years lol 90 bucks for an h100, and in 5 years the h115 for 100 bucks, and so on and so forth


personally i just use noctua nh-d14 and i like it, but i would have no issue trusting a highend newer model corsair AIO for my cooling, i think you guys are being illogical about it.

Not illogical, just money driven. The thread was started by an owner of a custom water-cooling store.
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lol they get so mad when they say a h100 lasts 5 years and works fine, well well make it 10 years!!! look dudes... i upgrade my rig ever 3-4 years anyway... I don't need to get back to you in 10 years lol 90 bucks for an h100, and in 5 years the h115 for 100 bucks, and so on and so forth


personally i just use noctua nh-d14 and i like it, but i would have no issue trusting a highend newer model corsair AIO for my cooling, i think you guys are being illogical about it.

Mine is in the box, I love my NH-D14 and keep it clean as a whistle. I will use it again if my H110GT ever fails. TBH they both handle a delidded chip just fine. I also had better temps with my noctua (probably a heat transfer rate thing) but, it made it a pain in the ass to work inside the computer because it was so big and I changed fans like the wind back in the day, Both are great coolers, if you like air stay air, if you like water go water, if you like an AIO go with an AIO... End of the day it is up to you, but, if you go custom use distilled water in your loop smile.gif end of story
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I have had the original Corsair H50 since it first came out in 2009 and It is still being used to this day. I don't think I have ever used another computer part longer than I have this cooler. So in one case you are right in that an air cooler will last waaaaayyy longer that an AIO cooler but an AIO cooler would last as long as you would need it to before something newer and better comes out that would make you want to replace it anyway. I mean who keeps any part for more than 5 years?
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My Zalman and Antec AIO's lasted a nice long period.
The Zalman still works actually.
The Antec's pump died about a year out of warranty.
And the corsair started to leak from the block not too long after getting it, luckily not damaging anything inside my system.

Soo 1 out of 3 ain't bad? I mean yeah they did last multiple years(besides the corsair)

But in my experience they do seem to be temporary.

I was always under the impression (mainly from guys here and on tom's) that "water is always better" and having had failed a custom loop when I was younger I decided to try one out, and when one died/or proved to not be enough for my new chip... I just got another up until...

I looked at getting a replacement for my antec but the pricing was just too high for me at that point in time..
So I started to search around for "the best" air cooler and found that even some much cheaper ones where all within a couple C of the best of best AIO's but at a MUCH quieter level.

While "the best" ones where actually beating them, it might not be the case of them beating them anymore but they are still within a couple of C temp difference while still being MUCH quieter.


I never intend to go back, I have since succeeded in making a couple custom loops too but also have no intent to go back.
When you compare risk/cost/gains/transportation/etc its just not worth it... to me at least...anymore anyway lol.
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