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Anyone who was around the watercooling scene a decade or so ago, back when we used automotive coolant in small percentages in our loops (because it looked nice, it was cheap, reduced the effects of galvanic corrosion and stopped algae from growing) knows this.

Funny to see all these people defending AIOs as if their lives depended on it... Those of us that have been watercooling for a long time know exactly what glycol gunking does. We've all had inexplicably high temperatures only to tear the CPU block down and find a mess of goo, we've all burnt a pump or two down only to find the inlet filter (we used fish tank pumps back then!) completely clogged and the pump stalled, causing it to burn!

...and there is a reason us old guard won't trade a custom loop for a CLC, no matter how convenient or magical we're told they are smile.gif  
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Those of us with hands on experience and a little background in common sense knew from day one the LCLC (Low Cost Liquid Cooler) renamed CLC (closed loop cooler) were nothing but a waste of money. No degree in engineering was needed to see how many shortcuts had been taken in their design and construction. Looking at them and their specifications was all it took. It was all to obvious that a pump rated less then 2w could not move much coolant, and that a complete system weighting less than an quality cooler with no coolant or fittings was not going to do a very good job .. if at all. Just looking at the failure rates shows how close to garbage they are even when brand new. At how many sales were made before a single review was out only adds to the the indenticy ten tea mentality of buyers. The saw the words 'water cooled' .. went blind, and lost any concept of reality they may have had. I kept waiting to see them all wearing pink togas and chanting something like 'Water cooling, water cooling, water cooling." which their eyes lost focus and shed copious amounts of liquid. biggrin.gif
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I don't know of any off the shelf GPU with full cover waterblock ..

EVGA HydroCopper comes with a pre-installed full cover block ready for your loop (if I recall EK makes the blocks for EVGA).

CLC's have their place, primarily where space doesn't allow for an adequate air cooler, nor a full loop.

There is an explanation why most people will argue something as if their life depends on it, even when proof of their error is presented. I actually found it yesterday in Slomo4shO's sig, was a good read, and applies in this type of instance too.
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EVGA HydroCopper comes with a pre-installed full cover block ready for your loop (if I recall EK makes the blocks for EVGA).

CLC's have their place, primarily where space doesn't allow for an adequate air cooler, nor a full loop.

There is an explanation why most people will argue something as if their life depends on it, even when proof of their error is presented. I actually found it yesterday in Slomo4shO's sig, was a good read, and applies in this type of instance too.
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The new msi 1080 does as well now that ek resolved their "feud".

And yea in a Mayhems thread that link is awesome haha.
    
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OP supplies CLC's coolants .....
Our Ethylene Glycol is safe thank you smile.gif http://mayhems.net/sds/xt1/250mll/xt1_clear_250ml.pdf - http://www.google.co.uk/patents/US8206607
Were not bashing glycols (how ever i worded it wrong above) some sealed AIOs have silicates that should not be used (some not all car engine coolants use them) that causes issues over long periods of time, Check white papers with plenty of information, sealed units should use such products as proven though out the thermal industry in HVAC , Solar power sealed system and maintenance systems. nice little guide for you too read -> http://msdssearch.dow.com/PublishedLiteratureDOWCOM/dh_010e/0901b8038010e417.pdf?filepath=heattrans/pdfs/noreg/180-01286.pdf&fromPage=GetDoc

You said glycols are bad because they "thicken" once they get hot. First of all, this is patently false. They do not thicken. I've heated PG before and the viscosity does not change (or at least it doesn't get thicker). PG can break down into acids once it hits about 120°C (which is hotter than you'll see in a loop), but this can be prevented by using inhibitors.

Actually PG "coolants" with silicates based inhibitors not PG (on its own), my mistake for not being spot on. Its all down to which inhibitors and which surfactants are used. You are correct on this.

ill have to get back later too this thread as off to take daughter to her prom. happy times discussing this, please keep it all civil between you all we all each have our own opinions and presumptions smile.gif.
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But define short term.

 
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The new msi 1080 does as well now that ek resolved their "feud".

And yea in a Mayhems thread that link is awesome haha.

That's good that MSI is offering a W/C card too, it will bring competition to EVGA's HydroCopper. Though I like EVGA.. their 980 (ti as well) HydroCopper cards carried a huge premium... something like 200-300 more for a reference card with a water block pre-installed. I wanted to buy one.. but couldn't justify the premium, so I bought an ACX 980 Superclocked, and a XSPC Razor block.
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That's good that MSI is offering a W/C card too, it will bring competition to EVGA's HydroCopper. Though I like EVGA.. their 980 (ti as well) HydroCopper cards carried a huge premium... something like 200-300 more for a reference card with a water block pre-installed. I wanted to buy one.. but couldn't justify the premium, so I bought an ACX 980 Superclocked, and a XSPC Razor block.

They look absolutely bad @$$, i wouldnt buy a 1080 but looks awesome. Shame they dont do this with ANY AMD card.

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/msi-ekwb-watercooled-1080-1070,32104.html
    
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Dont buy an r9 295x2 it has a CLC it WILL fail. Dont buy a 980ti hybrid or 1080 hybrid it uses a CLC it WILL fail. Dont buy a Radeon Pro Duo it uses a CLC it WILL fail.

Im sorry but thats just completely unreal.
Your logic is generally lacking here but, to be certain, your resting your defense on products that are less than three years old? Come back in 2019, or at least regale us of your heroic Asetek v.1 still chugging along on your x2 - I know all of the ones I bought are dead... rolleyes.gif
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Anyone who was around the watercooling scene a decade or so ago, back when we used automotive coolant in small percentages in our loops (because it looked nice, it was cheap, reduced the effects of galvanic corrosion and stopped algae from growing) knows this.

Funny to see all these people defending AIOs as if their lives depended on it... Those of us that have been watercooling for a long time know exactly what glycol gunking does. We've all had inexplicably high temperatures only to tear the CPU block down and find a mess of goo, we've all burnt a pump or two down only to find the inlet filter (we used fish tank pumps back then!) completely clogged and the pump stalled, causing it to burn!

...and there is a reason us old guard won't trade a custom loop for a CLC, no matter how convenient or magical we're told they are smile.gif  
Excellent post, +rep, QFT

Seriously - OP represents a coolant company and doesn't discourage the purchase of CLCs, merely warning that there's a likelihood of failure if the coolant gets too hot... I am not sure how anyone could take this with offense.
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Your logic is generally lacking here but, to be certain, your resting your defense on products that are less than three years old? Come back in 2019, or at least regale us of your heroic Asetek v.1 still chugging along on your x2 - I know all of the ones I bought are dead... rolleyes.gif
Excellent post, +rep, QFT

Seriously - OP represents a coolant company and doesn't discourage the purchase of CLCs, merely warning that there's a likelihood of failure if the coolant gets too hot... I am not sure how anyone could take this with offense.

No one takes offense. I am here to just tell him he is flat-out wrong. If a CLC goes bad, it has nothing to do with the coolant "getting too thick."
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Your logic is generally lacking here but, to be certain, your resting your defense on products that are less than three years old? Come back in 2019, or at least regale us of your heroic Asetek v.1 still chugging along on your x2 - I know all of the ones I bought are dead... rolleyes.gif
Excellent post, +rep, QFT

Seriously - OP represents a coolant company and doesn't discourage the purchase of CLCs, merely warning that there's a likelihood of failure if the coolant gets too hot... I am not sure how anyone could take this with offense.

Again, clearly you lack reading skills. As ive stated, and as you could clearly see if you checked the rig, i dont own an "x2", nor do i own or use a clc/aio. Ive used them for testing thats about it.

I guess people here need a dictionary more then they need a forum.
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No one takes offense. I am here to just tell him he is flat-out wrong. If a CLC goes bad, it has nothing to do with the coolant "getting too thick."

And he is absolutely right. No coolant "gets thicker" with heat, if anything they get thinner. And the viscosity of coolant isn't as crazy as people think it is. For gods sake its 50% water if not more depending on how its setup.

Only way any automotive coolant gets thicker is if you keep your PC in a f*en freezer.

P.S. No one here is arguing that CLCs are bad. The Mayhem fan boys are defending their company simple as that. What we are arguing is the absolute complete BS arguments that are made in this thread that hold no value. As clc doesnt fail because of coolant, a clc fails because its CHEAP!!!!!!!!.
    
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