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Sealed all in one coolers are one of the biggest sellers in the PC cooling industry however they have a massive downside and that is there life span. This were custom cooling or OAIO’s (open all in one) is much better and simply put, over a long period of time works out cheaper if done correctly.

The main reason for SAIO’s (sealed all in one) coolers to fail is there usage of Glycols in there coolants, these Glycols are present in high ratios (% of glycol to water / carrier fluid) making them less thermally efficient but also they cause a secondary issue. The second issue is that glycols when heated up over a period of time becomes thicker and this in turn wreaks havoc on their small internal pumps. Eventually these pumps fail not because of usage but because they simply cannot handle the viscosity of glycols when they thicken up. When using a custom cooling loop or an OAIO you can easily and frequently replace there coolants and refresh the system negating this issue of Glycols getting thicker.

Reviewers of AIO’s never look for the long term effects of such systems and never inform uneducated users of such issues. Like an old saying measure twice cut once, well think twice buy once!!!!
    
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No one takes offense. I am here to just tell him he is flat-out wrong. If a CLC goes bad, it has nothing to do with the coolant "getting too thick."
I think you know that this post is plainly defensive but I do apologize - you are one of the few people in this thread making cogent responses to the claims at hand, and in a cordial manner to boot!thumb.gif

Personally I do not understand the science and can only speak from experience and look forward to more scientific reasoning. thumb.gif

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Sealed all in one coolers are one of the biggest sellers in the PC cooling industry however they have a massive downside and that is there life span. This were custom cooling or OAIO’s (open all in one) is much better and simply put, over a long period of time works out cheaper if done correctly.

The main reason for SAIO’s (sealed all in one) coolers to fail is there usage of Glycols in there coolants, these Glycols are present in high ratios (% of glycol to water / carrier fluid) making them less thermally efficient but also they cause a secondary issue. The second issue is that glycols when heated up over a period of time becomes thicker and this in turn wreaks havoc on their small internal pumps. Eventually these pumps fail not because of usage but because they simply cannot handle the viscosity of glycols when they thicken up. When using a custom cooling loop or an OAIO you can easily and frequently replace there coolants and refresh the system negating this issue of Glycols getting thicker.

Reviewers of AIO’s never look for the long term effects of such systems and never inform uneducated users of such issues. Like an old saying measure twice cut once, well think twice buy once!!!!
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I think you know that this post is plainly defensive but I do apologize - you are one of the few people in this thread making cogent responses to the claims at hand, and in a cordial manner to boot!thumb.gif

Personally I do not understand the science and can only speak from experience and look forward to more scientific reasoning. thumb.gif

Its def safe to assume CLCs have a pretty high failure rate. And again we don't know why we don't build them, RMA them, or rebuild them. My guess is? It has something to do with the actual bearing in the pump rather then coolant. Could it be possible that the coolant is destroying the bearing (for example)? Its a possibility but unless someone has taken one apart and has DEFINITIVE PROOF that the coolant is what ruined the CLC its a totally baseless thread.

If someone has a busted CLC in Europe id love to have it sent to me ill check it out, hell ill even pay for shipping. thumb.gif
    
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I'd love to say how many do you want but we have already dismantlement them and tested the fluids also checked over pump damage ect ect. How ever next time we get one in ill keep it for you. thumb.gif
Edited by Mayhem - 6/22/16 at 1:07pm
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id love to say how many do you want but weave already dismantlement them all and tested the fluids and checked over pump damage ect ect. How ever next time we get one in ill keep it for you. thumb.gif

You guys are just across that dirty channel send one over id love to have a look.

In my life of working with cars and seeing at least half a dozen DIFFERENT ethylene/propylene and even glycerol type coolants i have YET to see one get thicker as it gets hotter. And how do i know? Because ive drained them all at about 175-220° they flow like water.
    
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id love to say how many do you want but weave already dismantlement them all and tested the fluids and checked over pump damage ect ect. How ever next time we get one in ill keep it for you. thumb.gif

With grammar and spelling like this, and in the OP (there != their), why should I take anything you say seriously?
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Probably because other than some misspelt words and some missing commas, those two sentences are grammatically correct?

 
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id love to say how many do you want but weave already dismantlement them all and tested the fluids and checked over pump damage ect ect. How ever next time we get one in ill keep it for you. thumb.gif

With grammar and spelling like this, and in the OP (there != their), why should I take anything you say seriously?

Wasn't Albert Einstein, Leonardo da Vinci and Thomas Edison also a dyslexic! All creative talents and there are many more to add to the list. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_diagnosed_with_dyslexia
Edited by Mayhem - 6/22/16 at 1:13pm
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The cost of "Custom" loops is being vastly overstated here.

If we compare CLC's to a CPU only loop the difference is not nearly a factor of 10 as has been said in this thread. I can throw together a D5/res, 360 rad and a block with some fittings for under 300 dollars and that's about as overboard as you can go for CPU only.

Not that I was in danger of buying a CLC anytime soon anyway but I'll file this one under good advice. Not going to put my CPU at risk with any of them. I'll stick a big fat Noctua on my motherboard before I trust Asetek of all people to provide proper build quality for a product that runs water through my computer system. Yuck
    
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With grammar and spelling like this, and in the OP (there != their), why should I take anything you say seriously?
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Wasn't Albert Einstein, Leonardo da Vinci and Thomas Edison also a dyslexic! All creative talents and there are many more to add to the list. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_diagnosed_with_dyslexia

Yea now thats pretty damn funny. Not even close. I should post this on Jayztwocents channel he'd def have a good laugh about this post. That's damn hilarious thumb.gif
    
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