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Originally Posted by skupples View Post

Mayhem's i love your stuff, i have your clear X1 in my current beast, but i just don't agree for the general consumer.

AIO has done an amazing job grabbing a large section of the market that would never touch a custom built system. You just AREN'T going to convert people into a niche hobby like you can sell them on a well marketed system pre-built with AIO. Even laptops are entering the realm of intercooling. this shows both success and demand in the market.

i have like 5 generations of AIO, starting from like 5-6 years ago, & they all still work WELL to this day, & served many years @ 24/7 life.

@Mayhem

I did a proper flush of my system & added clear X1 about 3 years ago. All I've done is top it off every now & then, but i can tell things are still damn near perfect based on the color of the water in all my crystal clear tubes & res smile.gif

this however isn't possible for most PC users. Most users would never touch a custom loop, but might have the money for a well marketed supercooled computer. This is where your H110i or w/e comes into play. Just for the love of god, change the fans.

then you have the poor guys that take the old advice from people that haven't taken the time to up their game, & they corrupt their own systems from ignorance. Or you know, spend 10K on the system then cheap on the tubes & coolant.

You have a lab. Give us some evidence. There's horror stories for every product known to man in this industry, it is technology after all. I had my very first Corsair AIO start leaking, but it was literally the first wave of the first gen blah blah... the rest have all been beasts for the cost / perf / time ratio stuff.

one last thought - there's always a common trend with AIO. It's time to RMA/replace it if it starts getting noisy.
If your have a AIO that is a CLC there is no provision to change / add coolant. Only AIOs like Swiftech and EK have this .. and are also much better quality.

If you buy H110 and replace the fans you loose performance .. and have spent as much or more money than buying the much better Swiftech to start with.

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Originally Posted by MerkageTurk View Post

Well if a leak occurs in a CLC system, we have heard how manufactures help rectify the whole system. I.e leaked on a gpu
First off, it's not the 'manufacturer' you deal with. It's the company who puts their name on it.wink.gif

Secondly, it appears you have never tried to get a clc damaged system replaced. Even if you do succeed in getting it replaced, it litterally takes have a year, sometimes more time spend dealing with the aggravation, procrastination, lies, having to keep impecable ducmentation of everything that is happening, having to threaten to go to higher authorities with the documentatin, etc. to get anything accomplished. Many who have gone through it say it is the worst experience of their lives and they will never do it again.

And all this time newer components are coming out (GPUs), the one that was damaged and sent in depreciates becomes lower and lower priced, and if it's your only system you have nothing to use during this time and had to spend money to replace it so you have a function system..
post #92 of 366
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Originally Posted by doyll View Post

You are vastly overstating what has been said about the cost of a loop here.

We have a couple of posters who have grossly exaggerated the cost, but we also have several others who have pointed out it can be done for as little $200.
/facepalm

Actually.....$200 is even an overstatement for a CPU only loop. H220-X2 is $139. XSPC Raystorm kits start at $149.

Frankly, in the current market, you would have to be daft (most PC word I could come up with) to buy a CLC. Aside from the longevity issues that are the actual topic of this thread, you are looking at a huge difference in return on investment. Right out of the box, the noise/performance and price/performance of the open loops are substantially better. This is where CLC users start with the "but if I add $50 worth of fans it will be quieter"....and the performance also falls off a cliff, so you have a $169 CLC that basically performs like a loud $50 air cooler.....great way to spend your money, and a great way to show that you value RGB LEDs over actual cooling. And at the end of the day, you can spend all of the money in the world doing add ons and upgrades to the current crop of CLCs, and they will never come close to matching the noise/performance or cost/performance of the Swiftech or XSPC....and, of course, they will never be expandable or customizable, or as is the original topic, you will never be able to service them. They are completely disposable.

And, BTW, for the three people in the world that have actually been reimbursed by a CLC marketer for leak damage, there are thousand who were rejected and told it was due to user error.
post #93 of 366
Well...just because you can't personally see a use for them. doesn't mean there isn't one...for example, I'll mention one I can think of right off the top of my head...I was recently asked to build a cheap gaming PC for a < 12 year old kid to play Minecraft on. All he wanted was something that play Minecraft without "lagging", and that it "looked cool" and as much like my most recently sold off water-cooled PC as it could. I was given a budget of $400-600 for the ENTIRE computer...a custom loop would not have fit into the budget without making other compromises, noise is not an issue, they would be doing ZERO maintenance on the machine...the only cost efficient solution to including some type of trouble free water cooling into the build was a CLC...sure, I could have built a crappier PC, used the money saved for a custom loop, and then been on the hook for maintenance from there on out. Anyway...again...stop calling people stupid and such because they don't see things your way. That could go both ways...not sharing an opinion with someone does not indicate a lack of intelligence...I am sorry.
post #94 of 366
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Originally Posted by ciarlatano View Post

Actually.....$200 is even an overstatement for a CPU only loop. H220-X2 is $139. XSPC Raystorm kits start at $149.

Frankly, in the current market, you would have to be daft (most PC word I could come up with) to buy a CLC. Aside from the longevity issues that are the actual topic of this thread, you are looking at a huge difference in return on investment. Right out of the box, the noise/performance and price/performance of the open loops are substantially better. This is where CLC users start with the "but if I add $50 worth of fans it will be quieter"....and the performance also falls off a cliff, so you have a $169 CLC that basically performs like a loud $50 air cooler.....great way to spend your money, and a great way to show that you value RGB LEDs over actual cooling. And at the end of the day, you can spend all of the money in the world doing add ons and upgrades to the current crop of CLCs, and they will never come close to matching the noise/performance or cost/performance of the Swiftech or XSPC....and, of course, they will never be expandable or customizable, or as is the original topic, you will never be able to service them. They are completely disposable.

And, BTW, for the three people in the world that have actually been reimbursed by a CLC marketer for leak damage, there are thousand who were rejected and told it was due to user error.
I was being logical and generous in my $200 figure.
Guess that was stupid to do with so many illogical posters involved. blushsmiley.gif

Now it's you being too logical and generous! poke.gif

Exactly!thumb.gif
post #95 of 366
@doyll
Actually I had two replaced, one with swiftech which was not bad considering they do not have a distribution center in the uk, (2 weeks)

And

Corsair was just amazing, 3-5 days days
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post #96 of 366
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Well...just because you can't personally see a use for them. doesn't mean there isn't one...for example, I'll mention one I can think of right off the top of my head...I was recently asked to build a cheap gaming PC for a < 12 year old kid to play Minecraft on. All he wanted was something that play Minecraft without "lagging", and that it "looked cool" and as much like my most recently sold off water-cooled PC as it could. I was given a budget of $400-600 for the ENTIRE computer...a custom loop would not have fit into the budget without making other compromises, noise is not an issue, they would be doing ZERO maintenance on the machine...the only cost efficient solution to including some type of trouble free water cooling into the build was a CLC...sure, I could have built a crappier PC, used the money saved for a custom loop, and then been on the hook for maintenance from there on out. Anyway...again...stop calling people stupid and such because they don't see things your way. That could go both ways...not sharing an opinion with someone does not indicate a lack of intelligence...I am sorry.
Why was the only cost efficient option a water cooling system? Why couldn't a even more cost efficient air cooling system have been used?
Where is the logic in what you did? Case cost is similar and air cooling is lower cost.
post #97 of 366
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Originally Posted by doyll View Post

Why was the only cost efficient option a water cooling system? Why couldn't a even more cost efficient air cooling system have been used?
Where is the logic in what you did? Case cost is similar and air cooling is lower cost.

Did you read my post? If so, read it again...
post #98 of 366
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Originally Posted by MerkageTurk View Post

@doyll
Actually I had two replaced, one with swiftech which was not bad considering they do not have a distribution center in the uk, (2 weeks)

And

Corsair was just amazing, 3-5 days days
I'm betting 1000000 to 1 odds these were only cooler replacements, not components damaged by leaking Swiftech AIO or Corsair CLC.
Swiftech is known for having good customer support. But a Corair replacement in 3-5 days? This would be rather resent as the didn't have a RMA center in UK until recently .. or was it done by a retail outlet, not Corsair? Also comsumer rights laws require this kind of action, which carries much more weight than the warranty. I've never had a corsail replacement take less than 10 days, and that was with their rep pushing it through. Simple replacement, not damaged component replacement / reimbursement.
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Yep only cooler replacements, not actual system parts.

They do have one at scan for rma
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post #100 of 366
I personally have used all different kinds of CLC (AIO) coolers.. from my experience, I've never had a pump fail on me. Even taking them apart numerous times and even modding the pump and adding a 240 rad to them..no issues. I just simply haven't had any issues....

Now, performance wise they're 2nd to none compared to my smaller air cooling. With a lapped cooler and decent fans the AIO cooler would definitely out perform my air cooler anyday. However, I noticed my AIO cooler is louder than my air cooler, fans and pump...So there was a trade off. More noise for way better cooling.

Now as I've gotten older and into much smaller builds, I've gone back to air. Simply for size requirements, noise, and longevity. I've never had a pump fail in the 4+ years I've had AIO coolers but the loom of one going was enough for me to jump ship. I want my rig to last a longgg time, so I didn't want to take any chances.

And btw, there's no bearings on the AIO pumps. They're ceramic shafted impellers that spin between the motor magnets... the actual electric motor component is completely sealed off from the water...
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