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In some revisions if you disable it, it can NOT be re-enabled.

Opt-out with e-fuses is the only logical solution.
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See and everyone is over here complaining that Microsoft can see stuff on your HDD...I've said before on forums here, Microsoft isn't the first (nor the last) that will do stuff like this. Even the beloved Intel?!? Maybe we should just stop doing illegal things? Then you don't have to worry about how many petabytes of special movies you have on your hdd. thumb.gif
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See and everyone is over here complaining that Microsoft can see stuff on your HDD...I've said before on forums here, Microsoft isn't the first (nor the last) that will do stuff like this. Even the beloved Intel?!? Maybe we should just stop doing illegal things? Then you don't have to worry about how many petabytes of special movies you have on your hdd. thumb.gif


The "if you've got nothing to hide" argument again. As if privacy was supposed to protect people's wrongdoings only. And as if what's considered wrong in one part of the world is the same as in all others and vice-versa. It's a nice implied fallacy, but it's still a fallacy, no matter how many times people try to rephrase it. And why is the adult content argument systematically brought into these discussions? Can't you people think of something else?



Also, to add to the discussion:

http://www.techradar.com/news/mobile-computing/laptops/microsoft-has-a-clever-plan-to-secure-windows-10-devices-1319007

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Redmond stated: "All shipping devices for Windows 10 across all SKU types must be using TPM 2.0 discrete or firmware from July 28, 2016. This requirement will be enforced through our Windows Hardware Certification program."
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All hardware running Windows 10 desktop editions – that's Windows 10 Home, Pro, Education and Enterprise – must implement TPM 2.0 and ship with it enabled, along with all Windows 10 Mobile devices.

Edited by tpi2007 - 6/22/16 at 7:50am
 
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Have you heard of the NSA?

There's plenty of money paying people for exactly this purpose. 52.6 billion dollars last year, actually. That rivals the budget of Apple, one of our largest corporations. The money spent is money earned from taxpayers. We vote for this.

What you're saying is very much the same as saying "the sheer amount of manpower that would be required to make iPhones for almost every person is astounding on it's own, much less that someone would PAY others to make iPhones. It's just not a possibility."

The accuracy of targeted advertising is plain to see by the revenue of that industry, and the personal-touch of ads you see on your Facebook feed. Youtube knew I wanted to watch E3. You think there's a man behind some computer somewhere watching me to deliver that content? No, it's from a database of my personal search queries. Give people content they like, and they'll likely develop more of an interest in content that you delivered to them. Do this for a lifetime, and content pushers can be understood to be a major mechanism by which long term "interests" are proliferated within individuals. Do this with political content instead of just corporate products, and you've earned yourself something more valuable than a successful corporation.

Smart political parties should be producing humorous and memorable ways of conveying their "product" through online media. The natural content delivery systems of things like Facebook, Youtube, and Twitter will deliver more media about your party if they watch and "like" the content that they're currently getting. Parties need money to do this, so their product needs to also be the product of their largest investors. That's a smart move if you want your party to be popular; so you need to take on policies that'll support your investors (that's what they're paying you for, after all.)

And my oh my, once graphene shows up. The capability of big data goes so far through the roof.

It's not unreasonable to expect that the "best of us" are sort of in danger of getting plucked out, if we allow big data to completely marginalize our privacy. This whole observation might seem a bit premature at the moment, but technological advancement isn't exactly slowing down and the integrity within our government and corporate structure isn't exactly at an all time high. It's plain to see the trends, if you're looking objectively.

First off, PEOPLE don't make iPhones, machines do. PEOPLE don't make MacBooks, machines do. Apple uses mechanized assembly lines to produce most of their products here state-side. That being said, if you wanted to fully grasp what I'm saying is... you don't have 1 machine making 10 phones each... you have 10 machines making 1 phone each. That's what I'm talking about. It's simply unfeasible and using Apple as an example is dumb in itself. They're a business, not a government.

Second off, graphene isn't going to show up because it lacks the essential issue that silicon has by default. It's hard to tell it to turn 'off'. You know those silly 1s and 0s? Those are 'On' and 'Off' for us in the tech world. Graphene is more capable with turning on, but has lots of issues shutting off, so the increased data throughput issue you're so excited about is hilariously far off. It's a waste of time. If it weren't, we'd have seen massive strides in making it into public workplaces, not just professional ones.

Third, It is very much unreasonable to think that the United States of America will literally pluck the best people in its country and get rid of them. The president doesn't have either the backing nor the capability to pull off a stunt like that, nor would the populace allow it to happen. You can say what you want about the government taking control, but you just try to stop 350 million people. Sure, you've got a total combined Armed Forces count of like... 2.5 million... that's only what? 140:1 odds... that's totally not something to worry about. Even that's an extreme statement that I'm willing to take in so I'll dismiss it, but the point remains. We're not the Soviet Union. The fact that people are allowed to have so many websites up on the internet slandering the president and other official figures shows this to be true. Putin outlawed memes being made of HIM from anyone in Russia. Sorry, but I'll take my chances with the USA trying to come knocking on my door IF they feel so inclined to scour through my 10GB of furry stuff. tongue.gif
     
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so lets say you use a vpn and tor/tutanota, would this chip be able to relay your info ?
Edited by Coldnapalm - 6/22/16 at 9:47am
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Wake up they are all in same boat aka ( they want to spy on you, track you, use you as a data not a human being ).
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The "if you've got nothing to hide" argument again. As if privacy was supposed to protect people's wrongdoings only. And as if what's considered wrong in one part of the world is the same as in all others and vice-versa. It's a nice implied fallacy, but it's still a fallacy, no matter how many times people try to rephrase it. And why is the adult content argument systematically brought into these discussions? Can't you people think of something else?



Also, to add to the discussion:

http://www.techradar.com/news/mobile-computing/laptops/microsoft-has-a-clever-plan-to-secure-windows-10-devices-1319007
You cant even disable it, my HP X2 210 has only two options for it, hidden or available... :S

/EDIT
/ON TOPIC
Here is a good article on this topic:
https://boingboing.net/2016/06/15/intel-x86-processors-ship-with.html
Edited by jagdtigger - 6/22/16 at 10:46am
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First off, PEOPLE don't make iPhones, machines do. PEOPLE don't make MacBooks, machines do. Apple uses mechanized assembly lines to produce most of their products here state-side. That being said, if you wanted to fully grasp what I'm saying is... you don't have 1 machine making 10 phones each... you have 10 machines making 1 phone each. That's what I'm talking about. It's simply unfeasible and using Apple as an example is dumb in itself. They're a business, not a government.

Second off, graphene isn't going to show up because it lacks the essential issue that silicon has by default. It's hard to tell it to turn 'off'. You know those silly 1s and 0s? Those are 'On' and 'Off' for us in the tech world. Graphene is more capable with turning on, but has lots of issues shutting off, so the increased data throughput issue you're so excited about is hilariously far off. It's a waste of time. If it weren't, we'd have seen massive strides in making it into public workplaces, not just professional ones.

Third, It is very much unreasonable to think that the United States of America will literally pluck the best people in its country and get rid of them. The president doesn't have either the backing nor the capability to pull off a stunt like that, nor would the populace allow it to happen. You can say what you want about the government taking control, but you just try to stop 350 million people. Sure, you've got a total combined Armed Forces count of like... 2.5 million... that's only what? 140:1 odds... that's totally not something to worry about. Even that's an extreme statement that I'm willing to take in so I'll dismiss it, but the point remains. We're not the Soviet Union. The fact that people are allowed to have so many websites up on the internet slandering the president and other official figures shows this to be true. Putin outlawed memes being made of HIM from anyone in Russia. Sorry, but I'll take my chances with the USA trying to come knocking on my door IF they feel so inclined to scour through my 10GB of furry stuff. tongue.gif
You said "The sheer amount of manpower that would be required to track and watch every person using an Intel CPU is astounding on its own, much less that someone could PAY others just to monitor what the populace is doing. It's just not a possibility."

The sheer amount of manpower is in fact very small. The design was completed by Intel, and accomplishes the creation of the backdoor. The data acquisition and storage also requires a reasonably small amount of man power, considering the NSA annual budget of 52 billion dollars. The feasibility of their use of ME as a method of data acquisition in conjunction with the cutting edge storage facility we already know they have, isn't exactly far fetched. The ambition of the NSA when it comes to data acquisition and monitoring is pretty transparent now. We also know that the director of the NSA has committed perjury in more than one instance, when being asked about the kind of data they collect, who they collect it from, and what they use that information for. If that isn't valid grounds for open speculation, I don't know what is.

If you can't see that, I can't help you.

Second off, you're not a graphene expert and neither am I. The experts do, however, say that it will likely replace silicon some time in the near future for use in computers. Major corporations like IBM are investing in this endeavor. Excuse me for finding their notions more believable than your skepticism. Large corporations might not be the most honest organizations, but you can usually rely on them to spend their money with an intent to make money. You might want to direct your skepticism towards an organization like the NSA, whose officials who can lie to Congress while under investigation with no legal repercussions.

As far as not being "afraid" of government corruption in a modern world where they have the legal and technological capability to gather and use big data in whatever way they secretly decide, that's fine. Don't try to pander that ideology as anything other than faith, though. You can presume that the integrity of the government is unwavering, unsubvertable, and undeniable if you like, but my counter argument is history and it speaks for itself.

I don't even know where to start with a person who doesn't understand the inherent value in privacy on the national scale. I know there's very little point in trying to explain it, here, because it's too far off-topic. I can only refer you to all of human history.

I think members of this forum have a good understanding of what can be accomplished with intelligent data analysis. Someone who has a basic understanding of psychological analysis, statistical analysis, and what kind of data is now open for use with large scale computing in those kinds of endeavors.. Those are the people who can conceive of vulnerabilities beyond having their "10GB furry collection" exposed.

All I can really say to you is that you lack the faculties necessary to participate in this conversation in an informed way. There's more to this than your own personal privacy. It effects you in the same way that prejudice effects you, regardless of whether or not you're the person being segregated at any given moment. There are inevitable, inherent consequences that you just seem incapable of fathoming.. and you're not the only one.
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so lets say you use a vpn and tor/tutanota, would this chip be able to relay your info ?


Yes. Potentially it could read directly from memory, and at a minimimium could reforward all your packets to another address.

This article is highly speculative . While it is possible that intel could have built a back door for the NSA, and it is possible that the NSA could be using the back door without anybody being none the wiser, there is no evidence that intel did nor that the NSA is currently doing.

It should also be noted that, for American citizens, under the patriot act, your data is only accessible either

1) With a warrant (from the secret courts mind you)
2) Or if the data is hosted outside the US, or data from outside the US enters networks within the US.

So for american citizens using their computers within the US, spying on their outbound data would be illegal, although perhaps a loophole could exist where data inbound could still be intercepted. The legality of all of it, if it were true, is fairly murky (to me). One would hope it is illegal.

Anybody outside of the US is fair game. NSA gives no (expletives) about the privacy of anyone outside the US.
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