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Originally Posted by mothergoose729 View Post

Yes. Potentially it could read directly from memory, and at a minimimium could reforward all your packets to another address.

This article is highly speculative . While it is possible that intel could have built a back door for the NSA, and it is possible that the NSA could be using the back door without anybody being none the wiser, there is no evidence that intel did nor that the NSA is currently doing.

It should also be noted that, for American citizens, under the patriot act, your data is only accessible either

1) With a warrant (from the secret courts mind you)

The third party doctrine would imply otherwise.
post #132 of 139

LOLZ @ "new" .. this has been around since post C2D.. WAKE THE H3LL UP folks.

 

*SB had ME too

post #133 of 139
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Originally Posted by lombardsoup View Post

It was previously answered. This isn't in the realm of conspiracy. Not sure where the 'conspiracy nutjob' ad hominem comes in.

If it's really happening, then it's not a conspiracy theory. thumb.gif

Check out this thread on tweaktown. It goes on for pages and pages, with users trying to figure out what it's even for. In the end no one still understands it.

http://forums.tweaktown.com/gigabyte/55149-intel-management-engine-interface-needed.html
Edited by aweir - 6/27/16 at 8:37am
post #134 of 139
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If it's really happening, then it's not a conspiracy theory. thumb.gif

Check out this thread on tweaktown. It goes on for pages and pages, with users trying to figure out what it's even for. In the end no one still understands it.

http://forums.tweaktown.com/gigabyte/55149-intel-management-engine-interface-needed.html
It can be used for whatever the person writing the firmware wants. If it's news that the people making your motherboard have the power to build a backdoor into your system, I don't know what to tell you, as that's always been true.
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post #135 of 139
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It can be used for whatever the person writing the firmware wants. If it's news that the people making your motherboard have the power to build a backdoor into your system, I don't know what to tell you, as that's always been true.

Yes, but the Intel Managment Engine is one of the most obscure piece of software ever devised. Intel can't even accurately describe it (and they made it?) and in fact it seems they are purposely trying to confuse users about what it is/does.

Here's a Youtube video describing what it is. You might have to be a computer engineer to understand it.

Edited by aweir - 6/27/16 at 10:55am
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Here's a Youtube video describing what it is. You might have to be a computer engineer to understand it.
I posted that video earlier in this thread, and did watch it. Intel probably provides that information to large customers, but they don't expect normal users to be writing firmware for the PCH. Does AMD publish its dev tools for motherboard firmware?
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nvm
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post #138 of 139
This is nothing new. If you're worried about NSA backdoors, then I have news for you: they have been backdooring hardware for DECADES. I would be surprised if they hadn't been doing this sort of thing to consumer grade CPU's for many years. Sadly, there is nothing you or I can do to stop it. Either Intel is working with them or Intel has been forced by an NSL to comply. Considering the government is a huge customer of Intel, I am sure Intel doesn't want to rock the boat.

Actually, though, I don't think they have a rootkit that allows them access to any and all machines. The NSA doesn't really need that because they can already scoop up all data on the Internet anyway. I think it's more likely that Intel screws with crypto in such a way as to make it easy for NSA to crack it. That is, Intel puts secret instructions on the chip to screw around with random number generation so that it appears perfectly random in output, but really has been truncated to, say, 64 bits (easy to crack). It's a skeleton key of sorts for NSA. It is not known for sure whether this is being done, but many experts in cryptography think it is.

For instance, a few years ago when Intel released their hardware RNG on Sandy Bridge (or Ivy Bridge I don't remember), there was a long discussion on the Linux kernel mailing list about how suspicious this RNG was. (This happened during the Snowden revelations so everyone was paranoid anyway). Some of the Linux kernel developers said Intel asked them to make RDRAND (the instruction that calls the Intel RNG) the default in Linux. The guy in charge of the Linux RNG code (Theodore T'so) told them to stick it.

The problem with that RNG is no one can audit it except Intel because of the way it was designed (it only gives "whitened" output). So you have to trust that Intel is being "honest" here. I don't because I know how lucrative such a thing is for NSA. Crack the RNG and you crack all crypto (no matter how strong it is). This would be something the NSA would love to have and I suspect they do have it.

This sort of thing is why Putin told the Kremlin a couple years back to stop using computers. They now do everything manually (typewriters, etc.). When you consider that almost all consumer grade CPU's are made by American companies, you can't really blame him.

TL;DR - Your machine is compromised at some level. Either learn to live with the NSA knowing everything about your life or get offline.
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There is nothing "secret" about ME. I'm guessing the article means secret as in "end users can't see source code."

This article is cranking the fear up to 11.
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