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Am I wrong to think this can be used for Corporate espionage?
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I'm all for electronic privacy, but some of y'all need to seriously get a grip on reality. Especially with this extraordinarily sensationalist article. Why?

Because:
  1. Why on earth would the federal government dedicate their time and resources to target YOU, an INDIVIDUAL, for data. When they can achieve the same thing, except on a VASTLY larger scale by compromising large data centers (Google, etc.) over your measly computer. Some people just have no sense for the scale of operations.
  2. Why are you even using the internet if you are so unbelievably paranoid about the security of your computer? Why are you using Google? Why are you using services that have your data stored in centralized locations across the globe?


I'm sorry if I sound like a prick when I say this, but some people on this board really need to get a dosage of reality. Some people are reaching the level of the conspiracy nutjob that cannot see reality. And it is annoying as heck to read.
  1. This is a bit of red herring argument. The concern isn't that the government will be looking at my files. The concern here is that people working for the government will abuse their access to these tools. J. Edgar Hover, was the director of the FBI for 48 years, pretty much ignored the constitution, and got away with because he had files on everyone in power; and this is in the days of paper records. I'm amazed that, with the primitive tools he had, Hoover was able to blackmail his way into keeping his job for so long.

    Consider Clapper, Director of National Intelligence was caught publicly lying while testifying to a congressional subcommittee (a criminal act), and the NSA, one of the organizations he was overseeing, was shown to have pitiful security protocols when a defense contractor walked out the door with gigabytes of classified data. Yes, the Director of the NSA 'retired', but somehow Clapper kept his job. The man obviously has a lot of friends. rolleyes.gif

  2. Continuation of red herring argument. I'm not concerned about me, I'm concerned about the integrity of the democratic process, which is already under a lot of pressure from lobbyists, and unlimited campaign funding from corporations.
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If this level of remote access was possible with OTS hardware, it would be productized and sold to us, not hidden away in secret.

Remote control devices that let you recover a system are not cheap and they are not that simple.

This one is $350: http://accessories.dell.com/sna/productdetail.aspx?c=us&l=en&s=dhs&cs=19&sku=330-4533
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dell_DRAC

It's basically a computer you remote into to control your computer. But oh - sure - the NSA is now giving us this capability for free.
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post #34 of 139
Best to just move on acknowledging that some people will react with a bit of a hostile attitude toward this subject.

We all share a love of PC hardware. We're all governed. When our enthusiast products appear to ship with hardware and software that may be intended to serve as a means of governing us, this is a good place to discuss it.

We aren't protesting, or pandering political parties to one another. We're not using this site to promote our ideologies.

We're discussing the convergence of the hobby we all share, and the very mechanism of governance. It's a discussion most people here will have informed opinions about, and so the conversation will continue to be substantive. No one is going to shut down an interesting topic where people are having intelligent, substantive conversation that relates directly to the entire theme of this forum.
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Actually you're hilariously wrong. That's only 2,000 Terabytes. The FBI is working on storing their vast paper document library? At halfway they're already up to like... half a petabyte alone? Sorry but I'm almost positive you've skipped over a few details...

LOL> Try a quadrillion gigabytes.

A yottabyte is 1,000 Zettabytes (a 1 followed by 24 zeros -- 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000) Costs about 100 trillion dollars today and would require data centers the size of Delaware and Rhode Island Combined. But in 20-40 years as things go, that will undoubtedly get smaller.

And i was exaggerating to make a point. They don't even need half that to store the entire internet.

"As of 2010, no system has yet achieved one yottabyte of storage. In fact, the combined space of all the computer hard drives in the entire world does not amount to even one yottabyte. According to one study, all the world's computers stored approximately 160 exabytes [exabyte = 1 billion gigabytes] in 2006. As of 2009 the entire internet was estimated to contain close to 500 exabytes."

For some clarity. A Petabyte requires a data center that takes up roughly a city block. Go take a look at Googles data centers, let alone the NSA's.
The Library of Congress with 130 million items on about 530 miles of bookshelves, including 29 million book, 2.7 million recordings, 12 million photographs, 4.8 million maps, and 58 million manuscripts, can be stored on 10 terabytes (10,000 gigabytes). Tape libraries in enterprises regularly store multiple petabytes of data and some disk-based storage sub-systems are also surpassing the petabyte mark in capacity.
post #36 of 139
The ME/AMT is in the chipset not CPU and has been there for a while. It sure sucks and should be removed or made auditable.
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CPUs without Vpro shouldn't be worried isn't it ? (I don't subscribe to the NSA theory), IPMI is even worse than Vpro (my system have both biggrin.gif)
Edited by TUFinside - 6/20/16 at 3:45am
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Intel just gave every hacker in the world the ultimate goal; hack the ME (and abuse it)

This is why backdoors are dangerous.
Edited by Yttrium - 6/20/16 at 3:57am
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Intel just gave every hacker in the world the ultimate goal; hack the ME (and abuse it)

This is why backdoors are dangerous.

A big solar eruption will kill our communication system long before intel ME get hacked:D
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Sensationalist article is sensationalist.

The sheer amount of manpower that would be required to track and watch every person using an Intel CPU is astounding on its own, much less that someone could PAY others just to monitor what the populace is doing. It's just not a possibility.

On the other hand basic telemetry/rough tracking data can be retrieved and analyzed very,very quickly because tools used are mostly automated.
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