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What up Gang...

Been long time for me here. But I'm wanting to know if any of you more expert enthusiasts could give me an answer on this.

I have a water cooled Socket AM2 with a 955 Phenom and 4gb of OCZ Water cooled ram...

Everything has been fine for years, running @ 3.8ghz CPU @ 1.34v / 2.6ghz NB @ 1.15v/ Ram @ 1600mhz @ Cas 7 @ 1.9v... I'm on my 3rd Water pump. It's an XSPC Reservoir and Pump. A couple of months ago I experienced an issue of my PC all sudden threw a BSoD at me. It kept doing it. Being OC'ed for so long and hearing before that IC circuit atoms can migrate thus creating a need for more power, I figured, okay, lets up the voltage a smidge. Did this a couple of times restarting the PC numerous times...

Long story short after deciding that no voltage would work up to an extra .015 volts.. I decided to loo0k elsewhere. As I didn't figure that it had anything to do with hard being loose or any of that mumbo jumbo as I regularly clean the dust trays on my Roswell Computer Case.

I shut the PC down and pulled the side panel. Discovered the hoses for the water cooling were extremely Hot. Low and behold something must broke loose from inside the 120mm x 240mm radiator or somewhere else and caused the XSPC impeller to lock up causing overheating... I pulled the reservoir and rocked it round a bit and whatever was the issues became loose and is probably stuck somewhere in the water cooling system. I will clean it when I pull it apart for replacement or full rebuild. Hasn't caused and issue since. I know it could but that's my risk. wink.gif

YEAH I KNOW... HUGE MISTAKE WITH THE VOLTAGE. IT IS WHAT IT IS....

Moving forward. After reloading the OS from an image to start fresh again, I've had this issue of random ultra fast double clicks of the mouse when only pressed once... Very irritating and has caused many issues will doing tasks...

Now that the back story has been told, my question is this:

-Taking into consideration the heat cause from temporary impeller malfunction and the symptom of a double click with only one press of the mouse button (not always either. It a majority of the time but not always and very random but so frequent that it can basically be predicted/ expected and it's not a setting in windows 7 64bit.)...... What would you say is the component that is malfunctioning?

The Ram or CPU? I don't have more of either to test with or a friend with a comparable system to do so.

I have been contemplating building a new system anyhow but would like to hold off for a little while longer while I take care of some other priorities around the house.

Thanks in Advance.

Andrew C.
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post #2 of 4
Overheating did not effect the CPU, it would shut down before overheating itself.
You can rum memtest-86, or if your motherboard has another one, to test your memory.

Remove your mouse driver and reinstall it, or the latest if there is newer.
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The most likely thing is that the mouse driver or something similar got corrupted during the BSOD event. I would reinstall mouse and CPU chipset drivers, just to be on the safe side. Reinstalling a driver won't hurt either way.

I would also recommend testing your system stability, with something like Prime95.

As for the electron mitigation:

Think of the CPU having a bunch of water pipes. Raising the voltage increases the pressure in the pipes. When you raise the voltage too high, you can develop a leak in your pipes. Eventually this leak gets worse, and there isn't enough water pressure at the end due to the leak, making your CPU unstable.

Increasing the voltage would increase the "Pressure" at the end again, and make your CPU stable, but it would also make the "leak" get worse even faster. This is pretty much only a good idea if you absolutely cannot live with a slower CPU, and are willing to wreck the CPU to keep it at the current clock.

Reducing your CPU's clock rate, and keeping the same voltage, would reduce the "pressure" (voltage) it needs at the end of the pipes to be stable, and solve the problem for a time. The pressure wold still make the leak worse over time, and you would eventually have to lower the clock rate again, and again. This is probably the best option if you are going to upgrade eventually, and want the best performance you can get out of the CPU in the mean time.

Reducing both the clock and voltage (potentially all the way back to stock on both) would make the leak much less significant, and it wouldn't be degraded much either. It might not even leak at all any more at the lower voltage, assuming you didn't let the "leak" get too bad. This is the best choice if you couldn't upgrade for a long time, and needed your CPU to work.
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Thanks for the replies...

As said I reloaded the OS using a fresh preexisting Drive Image using Ghost 2003. So the driver issues are out of the question...

But I think that I figured it out... I've been using the PS/2 mouse port on the motherboard... Not sure if it's bad or if it's the mouse. But I replaced the mouse today with a wireless mouse and it seems to be just fine.

unfortunately this was after I spent half a Benny on a a new DDR3 8gb Cas 8 G-Skill - Rip Jaw ram kit at newegg... frown.gif

But I'll keep using the current mouse for another day or two and if no more issues, I'll RMA the Ram and Get another mouse as this one is for my laptop...

Thanks for your replies Gentlemen.

Andrew C.

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