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I don't think you can get much more out of SATA than the 850 Pro currently does, so I wonder if they will bother to release a new version for SATA, or if the will do M.2 only. Those listed warranties are crap though considering what the SATA version gets. (I wanted an M.2 drive for the OS but setup and compatibility is just so much easier with SATA; I figured I'd get an M.2 drive later on for applications.)

I too doubt anything can be gained that's greater, overhead is likely as low as we'll see. I believe any new drives are going to be aimed at decreasing the cost of SSDs by increasing capacity now, done by improving their VNAND to 48-layers. 4TB 850 Pro is confirmed and will use this memory due to the density but I really doubt we'll see much or any performance increase. Perhaps steadier random 4K read/write performances? The 950 Pro 1TB should also have a 5 year warranty compared to these OEM drives. And for compatibility, I don't personally have one but a PCIe card addon for M.2 drives, with a 950 Pro is just as compatible and usable.
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I don't think you can get much more out of SATA than the 850 Pro currently does, so I wonder if they will bother to release a new version for SATA, or if the will do M.2 only. Those listed warranties are crap though considering what the SATA version gets. (I wanted an M.2 drive for the OS but setup and compatibility is just so much easier with SATA; I figured I'd get an M.2 drive later on for applications.)

I too doubt anything can be gained that's greater, overhead is likely as low as we'll see. I believe any new drives are going to be aimed at decreasing the cost of SSDs by increasing capacity now, done by improving their VNAND to 48-layers. 4TB 850 Pro is confirmed and will use this memory due to the density but I really doubt we'll see much or any performance increase. Perhaps steadier random 4K read/write performances? The 950 Pro 1TB should also have a 5 year warranty compared to these OEM drives. And for compatibility, I don't personally have one but a PCIe card addon for M.2 drives, with a 950 Pro is just as compatible and usable.
Drivers and BIOS settings are the issue I don't want to deal with. UEFI made bootable RAID (at least with ASUS) a giant pain in the rear, too.
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SO with read performances getting this high is this effectively removing the storage bottleneck completely? So basically we're waiting on the processor now and motherboard SB/NB to do its thing?

Nope. NAND can never match DRAM for reasons of physics.

It is one of the reasons why 3D XPoint and RRAM are considered exciting developments.

DRAM
Endurance (P/E Cycles) 10^15
Read Latency Nanoseconds

3D XPoint
Endurance (P/E Cycles) 10^7
Read Latency 10s of Nanoseconds

NAND
Endurance (P/E Cycles) 10^3
Read Latency ~100 Microseconds


So as you can see, compared to DRAM
  • NAND has higher latency
  • NAND has a much lower endurance
  • The only real redeeming feature of NAND of course is that it is non-volatile and I suppose cheaper per GB

There is no way to make NAND as fast as DRAM.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/9470/intel-and-micron-announce-3d-xpoint-nonvolatile-memory-technology-1000x-higher-performance-endurance-than-nand

The SRAM that makes up the cache of your CPU is again, faster than DRAM.


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As a technology, NAND flash is never going to eliminate that bottleneck. There is too much latency for it to seriously compete with DRAM or SRAM. It's about a thousand times slower than DRAM to start returning data no matter its ultimate data rate.


The real question is if something revolutionary like 3D XPoint will close the gap to the point where we get near RAM-disk like performance on our storage, only non-volatile of course.
Edited by CrazyElf - 6/20/16 at 6:07pm
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I just want an m.2 for my boot drive but without having to worry about heat throttling. Any recommendations for a good fast m.2 drive with around 250GB of storage?
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I just want an m.2 for my boot drive but without having to worry about heat throttling. Any recommendations for a good fast m.2 drive with around 250GB of storage?

What are you doing on your OS drive to cause heat throttling?
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In terms of perhaps technicality but what I believe he was referring to; I'd call SSD to be storage. DRAM to be cache. Thus competition between them is irrelevant.

The post I quoted was explicitly calling them into comparison, so I'm not sure why you have selected this tangent.
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This is perfect timing; I just got my 6950X and am going to install Win 10 Pro on the Uber Rig. Looking to switch to an NVMe drive!! Where can I order this now?
     
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This is perfect timing; I just got my 6950X and am going to install Win 10 Pro on the Uber Rig. Looking to switch to an NVMe drive!! Where can I order this now?
It's not launched just yet, but will be soon!

For the past decade Samsung has been one of the premium brands for storage and memory products. Aka they can sell products with similar specifications as competitors, but for a higher price because of some factor such as higher performance in one era. This news just makes me more excited to see what Intel has coming, as Samsung's 951 was very strong, then they suddenly released the 950 Pro, and now the 961? Will the 960 Pro come out next month? lol They are obviously launching products as soon as they possibly can to keep ahead of everyone else, to me it hints at an incoming threat.
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I suggest a review of this link before considering purchasing an M.2 drive. The M.2 drives thottle terribly and especially when placed between two video cards.

http://edgeup.asus.com/2016/06/06/m-2-ssd-throttling-tests-vindicate-asus-motherboard-designs/
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And I just bought a 500GB EVO to aid my 4 year old 512GB SSD.
But then again, if it's $512, I'd guess it'd cost at least 800 here.
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