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the high-end market may be smaller but its lucrative thumb.gif

why don't you try comparing GTX980+GTX980Ti+TitanX sales as against GTX960+GTX970?
thats 3 upper-tier SKUs against 2 mainstream SKUs.
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because 1070/1080 prices are >> $200-230, especially for FEs bought from Nvidia page


point is the high prices somewhat off-set the lesser volumes sold

And the above mentioned "way more net profit" is? ...you don't know...but you feel obliged to state it.
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why don't you try comparing GTX980+GTX980Ti+TitanX sales as against GTX960+GTX970?
thats 3 upper-tier SKUs against 2 mainstream SKUs.
and thats why Nvidia will release 1060 as well


but some ppl act like sales of the higher-end market are entirely irrelevant because the volumes are not as big as mainstream
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and thats why Nvidia will release 1060 as well


but some ppl act like sales of the higher-end market are entirely irrelevant because the volumes are not as big as mainstream

Don't put words into my month - I never said irrelevant and I'm not acting - I know it!
Incomes (non professional segment) are most influenced by low margin, high volume sales.
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I wasnt even replying to you thumb.gif
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but some ppl act like sales of the higher-end market are entirely irrelevant because the volumes are not as big as mainstream

because it isn't, their primary purpose is for those to act as their flagships.

the profit margin of the upper-tier cards maybe larger, but the sheer deficiency in volume doesn't make it up.
take steam's hardware survey for example - http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/videocard/
GTX970 = 5.13%
GTX960 = 3.40%
GTX980 = 1.04%
GTX980Ti = 0.99%

using steam's example, lets have 100,000 users as a baseline:
GTX970 = 100000 * 0.0513 * $330 = $1,692,900 * 50% margin = $846,450
GTX960 = 100000 * 0.0340 * $200 = $680,000 * 50% margin = $340,000
GTX980 = 100000 * 0.0104 * $550 = $572,000 * 70% margin = $400,400
GTX980Ti = 100000 * 0.0099 * $650 = $643,500 * 70% margin = $450,450

GTX970+GTX960 = $1,186,450
GTX980+GTX980Ti = $850,850

while those margins are fictional, you can see how the mainstream cards are still more dominant.
furthermore its more economical to sell cheaper cards in bulk because it gives you more coverage, more users will be using your cards.
Edited by epic1337 - 6/23/16 at 4:17am
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and thats why Nvidia will release 1060 as well


but some ppl act like sales of the higher-end market are entirely irrelevant because the volumes are not as big as mainstream
ofc its not if nvidia themselfs says that their usebase is still on fermi kepler what does that say about their market in general? that their high end is is selling so much that is remotely close to be relevant on their own stock? ofc not
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I wasnt even replying to you thumb.gif

I'm responding to "but some ppl" and decided that you're talking "behind my back" thumb.gif

Look at @epic1337 response, I was to lazy but he did the a good job.
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GTX970+GTX960 = $711,870
GTX980+GTX980Ti = $607,750

while those margins are fictional, you can see how small the gap is.
well yes it shows that high-end is sort of ~nipping on the heels of mainstream despite much less volume sold (although idk where you got those margin percentages from or if they are true)

so its not something to just write off .. it is for image and to act as flagships, but they also do make good tangible profit, which was my point to begin with (that and the fact that higher prices and margins partially mitigate the volumes difference)
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well yes it shows that high-end is sort of ~nipping on the heels of mainstream despite much less volume sold (although idk where you got those margin percentages from or if they are true)

so its not something to just write off .. it is for image and to act as flagships, but they also do make good tangible profit, which was my point to begin with

i adjusted the margins, even for estimates.

e.g. since GTX970 and GTX980 uses the same die off the same wafer.
GTX970 $330 @ 50% = $165 die cost
GTX980 $550 @ 70% = $165 die cost
the margins itself doesn't matter, but the accuracy regarding the actual difference between the two is what matters.


the "image" doesn't matter, the market coverage matters more.
whats the point of having a super expensive fast card if you only cover 20%~30% of the market? *i'm looking at you AMD*

in AMD's scenario, they're better off pumping lots of mainstream cards to cover more of the market, than waste money trying to compete against Nvidia's top-tier chips.
Edited by epic1337 - 6/23/16 at 4:29am
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