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Wow this got nasty. Is the VR community normally like this?

Yes, I actually sold my vive and refunded all my vive games (steam was very nice about it, been 30+ days since I bought them).

A consumer defending oculus makes me question that person's integrity, it's proven companies sometimes hire people to praise them anonymously. Under no circumstances does it make sense for an actual consumer to get behind exclusive content. Exclusive content only benefit the people making $ off these deals, and hurts everyone else.

Oculus is destroying VR, splitting the VR community, and making everyone very hostile. My total vive experience, games, extra cables, etc was around $1500. That's far too much money to spend on a product that is being locked out of tons of exclusive titles because of the greedy people at oculus. I'll be waiting for v2 headsets, by then we'll have lots of content and hopefully this war will be over.

Facebook has nearly unlimited funds so unless people boycott oculus, this war is just the beginning.
You must have given the magic password. Steam wouldn't even refund me money for the piece of crap that was GTA IV despite it not working well for many AMD users, and the request being made within a reasonable time frame from the date of purchase. Maybe their policy is different for games and systems they produce?

Anyway...agreed that exclusives are bad. The TWIMTBP and Physx stuff pushed by Nvidia has not done anything good for the gaming community, so I don't know why exclusives in VR would.
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The inferior platform that will deliver you ads, the Rift.

The fact that you are even considering the Rift shows you have no idea what's going on and how Spybook intend to fragment the market and dominate (destroy) it.

not considering it - got one. Day 1 order.


and yeah - it's not inferior.

My buddy has a Vive tried them both and, well lets just say, when he offered to swap, I said no................
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A consumer defending oculus makes me question that person's integrity, it's proven companies sometimes hire people to praise them anonymously. Under no circumstances does it make sense for an actual consumer to get behind exclusive content. Exclusive content only benefit the people making $ off these deals, and hurts everyone else.

Okay, put down the paranoia and the conspiracy theories and walk safely back to reality. There's not a boogieman hiding behind every pro-Oculus post. There ARE reasonable people posting in defense of Oculus who think everyone else is being a slobbering mob.

All I'm saying is I believe the intent behind these business decisions was NOT to clamp down on the market. Keep in mind that most of these true exclusives are 100% Oculus funded from start to finish, like the shortform story content and Lucky's Tale. The rest are timed exclusives. And if you actually look at the list of exclusive content, there is a scant handful, many of which should not evoke such an out-of-proportion reaction. Whining about timed exclusives just makes complainers look impatient and twitchy. If you want to play games, why don't you go play all the wonderful content that Vive invested in...

But, no, I'm not going to debate against that locking down games is bad.
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"But @edgeofblade, didn't you read the title of the thread."

Yes, and did you actually listen to what he's saying or did you just accept the headline as what already agrees with your ill-informed opinion? He's talking about tailoring content to his hardware. You have to inject all this other malarkey about Oculus being anti-consumer to arrive at the majority of vitrolic garbage posted here.

Or maybe it's even worse. Do you not believe ANYTHING Luckey or Oculus or Facebook or @edgeofblade says? That's not healthy skepticism. That's cynicism.

There is but one thing destroying VR right now. Vapid cynicism masquerading as righteous indignation.

Did Oculus make mistakes? Yes, they did, if only by looking at the results of blocking Revive and not springing forward to support the Vive on OH immediately. Yes, they botched the launch by not stockpiling more product and launching a few months later.

But the Internet has the tendency to turn on it's own revolutionaries and stick them in the guillotine, too. Everyone's an activist and everyone wants to be in the limelight leading the troops and freeing the nation of gamers, and if a few heads roll in support of the cause, then who cares as long as I get what I want...

People love to take simple mistakes and turn them into flaming damnnation. In case you haven't noticed, the more you tear down Oculus for their mistakes and contribute to "letting them burn", the less reason they have to fix their mistakes and open up the content to Vive owners.
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post #104 of 152
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Wow this got nasty. Is the VR community normally like this?
It's the Internet. Ill-informed Mob justice is considered the correct path for the reasonable intelligent person. And if you don't agree with me you must be a paid shill...
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In case you haven't noticed, the more you tear down Oculus for their mistakes and contribute to "letting them burn", the less reason they have to fix their mistakes and open up the content to Vive owners.

I'm not so sure about this to be honest. I think it is going to take them getting burned via PR and sales to change their mind. That probably is cynicism, but it is also based on how companies including Facebook operate. Companies (at least American companies) don't like to admit they screwed up or did something wrong unless there is overwhelming criticism. The status quo seems to be ignore problem and hope it goes away.
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Okay, put down the paranoia and the conspiracy theories and walk safely back to reality. There's not a boogieman hiding behind every pro-Oculus post. There ARE reasonable people posting in defense of Oculus who think everyone else is being a slobbering mob.

All I'm saying is I believe the intent behind these business decisions was NOT to clamp down on the market. Keep in mind that most of these true exclusives are 100% Oculus funded from start to finish, like the shortform story content and Lucky's Tale. The rest are timed exclusives. And if you actually look at the list of exclusive content, there is a scant handful, many of which should not evoke such an out-of-proportion reaction. Whining about timed exclusives just makes complainers look impatient and twitchy. If you want to play games, why don't you go play all the wonderful content that Vive invested in...

But, no, I'm not going to debate against that locking down games is bad.
Yes, and did you actually listen to what he's saying or did you just accept the headline as what already agrees with your ill-informed opinion? He's talking about tailoring content to his hardware. You have to inject all this other malarkey about Oculus being anti-consumer to arrive at the majority of vitrolic garbage posted here.

Or maybe it's even worse. Do you not believe ANYTHING Luckey or Oculus or Facebook or @edgeofblade says? That's not healthy skepticism. That's cynicism.

There is but one thing destroying VR right now. Vapid cynicism masquerading as righteous indignation.

Did Oculus make mistakes? Yes, they did, if only by looking at the results of blocking Revive and not springing forward to support the Vive on OH immediately. Yes, they botched the launch by not stockpiling more product and launching a few months later.

But the Internet has the tendency to turn on it's own revolutionaries and stick them in the guillotine, too. Everyone's an activist and everyone wants to be in the limelight leading the troops and freeing the nation of gamers, and if a few heads roll in support of the cause, then who cares as long as I get what I want...

People love to take simple mistakes and turn them into flaming damnnation. In case you haven't noticed, the more you tear down Oculus for their mistakes and contribute to "letting them burn", the less reason they have to fix their mistakes and open up the content to Vive owners.

So exclusives ARE bad for the industry but Oculus still deserves our support so they feel good and change their ways? All this complaining is only going to push them into... not changing?

I understand your point, some of the critisism of Oculus is over the top, but exclusives, timed or not, are bad. It is especially bad in this case because this isn't not porting it to another platform, this is doing extra work to make sure it will not run on a competitors decice.
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In case you haven't noticed, the more you tear down Oculus for their mistakes and contribute to "letting them burn", the less reason they have to fix their mistakes and open up the content to Vive owners.

I'm not so sure about this to be honest. I think it is going to take them getting burned via PR and sales to change their mind. That probably is cynicism, but it is also based on how companies including Facebook operate. Companies (at least American companies) don't like to admit they screwed up or did something wrong unless there is overwhelming criticism. The status quo seems to be ignore problem and hope it goes away.

Fairish assessment of the situation, but they don't need to get burned to the ground to know there's a problem. It's quite clear there's a problem.

And how does Facebook function? Enlighten me.
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Fairish assessment of the situation, but they don't need to get burned to the ground to know there's a problem. It's quite clear there's a problem.

And how does Facebook function? Enlighten me.

Ignoring the implicit tone of "enlighten me" check the criticism of facebook on wikipedia for a good summary. A common trend throughout (not all but many of the cases) is that something is discovered, there is criticism/bad press (helps to be a major news outlet), then a change is made. The point being I don't expect them to just change their policy without criticism. The noise on the 'net about Oculus/Facebook regarding the Rift and Vive is absolutely necessary.
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People love to take simple mistakes and turn them into flaming damnnation. In case you haven't noticed, the more you tear down Oculus for their mistakes and contribute to "letting them burn", the less reason they have to fix their mistakes and open up the content to Vive owners.

I have to disagree with you on this statement, an easy example I can think of is the Xbox One vs Ps4, Microsoft has done a 180 on numerous policies because people vilified them on most if not all gaming sites and they saw the Ps4 taking off from them sales wise. They need to see that people are angry and not buying their product.
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So exclusives ARE bad for the industry but Oculus still deserves our support so they feel good and change their ways? All this complaining is only going to push them into... not changing?

I understand your point, some of the critisism of Oculus is over the top, but exclusives, timed or not, are bad. It is especially bad in this case because this isn't not porting it to another platform, this is doing extra work to make sure it will not run on a competitors decice.

My point is that the criticism is SO over the top that it's poisoning everything about Oculus on the Internet. If the house burns down, there won't be a market left to recover.

Personally, I expect Oculus to change course any day now, but truth be told, I don't know if they can make enough money selling the content on other headsets and still justify selling the headset at cost/for a loss. Their original plans might be the only way their analysis shows they would make any money. If they change course and say "Okay, we will do things YOUR way, but we have to charge $100 more per headset", I doubt they will make anyone happy...

I really don't want to weigh in on whether exclusives are bad or good for the industry. I believe Oculus is funding games that might not otherwise see the light of day. I think games getting made is a VERY good thing. I'm not falling victim to the cynicism that says they AREN'T actually funding games and are just buying off developers because I still don't see sufficient evidence of that.

Here's a new twist on a very old line of reasoning: I think if you want to play a game and can't, that sucks. So, to remedy that, Valve should release the Tracked Controllers by themselves. They are monopolizing the motion controller market and locking Oculus users out of Tracked Controller exclusive games.

You're reaction to that statement should indicate whether or not you are part of the anti-Oculus mob or simply behaving like a rational consumer.
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