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Two things that your guys aren't taking into account

1) Vive does not = Valve.


Valve doesn't care what HMD you have, so long as you buy games on SteamVR.


2) Oculus does not = HTC.
Oculus does not = Valve
Oculus = Valve + HTC.

Oculus has no business model if they don't sell games AND HMDs.
The best way to sell games is to NOT GIVE THEM AWAY FOR FREE!
The best way to sell HMDs is to make the content better than the competition., Well duh........

Oculus Home is a Unique Selling Point for Rift. USPs drive marketing campaigns. If they let Vives in, they give up a significant reason for buying a Rift.
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post #112 of 152
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Okay, put down the paranoia and the conspiracy theories and walk safely back to reality. There's not a boogieman hiding behind every pro-Oculus post. There ARE reasonable people posting in defense of Oculus who think everyone else is being a slobbering mob.

All I'm saying is I believe the intent behind these business decisions was NOT to clamp down on the market. Keep in mind that most of these true exclusives are 100% Oculus funded from start to finish, like the shortform story content and Lucky's Tale. The rest are timed exclusives. And if you actually look at the list of exclusive content, there is a scant handful, many of which should not evoke such an out-of-proportion reaction. Whining about timed exclusives just makes complainers look impatient and twitchy. If you want to play games, why don't you go play all the wonderful content that Vive invested in...

But, no, I'm not going to debate against that locking down games is bad.
Yes, and did you actually listen to what he's saying or did you just accept the headline as what already agrees with your ill-informed opinion? He's talking about tailoring content to his hardware. You have to inject all this other malarkey about Oculus being anti-consumer to arrive at the majority of vitrolic garbage posted here.

Or maybe it's even worse. Do you not believe ANYTHING Luckey or Oculus or Facebook or @edgeofblade says? That's not healthy skepticism. That's cynicism.

There is but one thing destroying VR right now. Vapid cynicism masquerading as righteous indignation.

Did Oculus make mistakes? Yes, they did, if only by looking at the results of blocking Revive and not springing forward to support the Vive on OH immediately. Yes, they botched the launch by not stockpiling more product and launching a few months later.

But the Internet has the tendency to turn on it's own revolutionaries and stick them in the guillotine, too. Everyone's an activist and everyone wants to be in the limelight leading the troops and freeing the nation of gamers, and if a few heads roll in support of the cause, then who cares as long as I get what I want...

People love to take simple mistakes and turn them into flaming damnnation. In case you haven't noticed, the more you tear down Oculus for their mistakes and contribute to "letting them burn", the less reason they have to fix their mistakes and open up the content to Vive owners.
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Other than this is Facebook, they want victory.
Ideally we just go along with it, if we complain they will spin it (perhaps your job), then ignore it or perhaps claim a mistake if it keeps building, then quietly go back on it. FACEBOOK, INSTAGRAM, LOOK at the track record.

You enlighten yourself on the industry before spouting really really ignorant dribble. Unless of course you work for said placix if so.... bleep.
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People love to take simple mistakes and turn them into flaming damnnation. In case you haven't noticed, the more you tear down Oculus for their mistakes and contribute to "letting them burn", the less reason they have to fix their mistakes and open up the content to Vive owners.

I have to disagree with you on this statement, an easy example I can think of is the Xbox One vs Ps4, Microsoft has done a 180 on numerous policies because people vilified them on most if not all gaming sites and they saw the Ps4 taking off from them sales wise. They need to see that people are angry and not buying their product.

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Microsoft initially announced a different game licensing scheme for Xbox One than what was used upon its release: all games, including those purchased at retail, would be bound to the user's Xbox Live account. Users could access their purchased games from any other Xbox One console, play games without their disc once installed, and allow users to "share" their games with up to ten designated "family" members. Users would trade games at "participating retailers", and could also transfer a game directly to any Xbox Live friend on their list for at least 30 days, but only once. To synchronize licenses, the console would be required to connect to the internet once every 24 hours; if the console could not connect, all games would be disabled until the console was connected again.[118][151][152]

Don't want to go too far off topic, but I still wonder what Xbox One would have looked like if we could trade games digitally like this.

...Because that's the kind of stuff they were actually talking about doing. And then the cynicism set in.

Look at what they actually wanted to do, and then think about how that squares with your memory of what happened.

They reversed course because no one gave them the benefit of the doubt. Most of the time, they read the headline "Xbox One Has Anti-Consumer DRM" and immediately formed the opinion "Xbone bad. Microsoft bad. GRRRRRRR." Microsoft were RIGHT to reverse course, but they should have explained the situation more efficiently, rather than leading with "game disk gets locked to your XBL account".

Oh, and in case you didn't notice, the market is still holding a grudge against them for that. I was at Comicpalooza in Houston last weekend, and I got dumped on by some hipster podcasting trash for showing off a themed design of the newer Xbox One controllers from their Design Lab program. He started with the line "Come on, it's the Xbone." I just looked at him blankly and expected him to provide support for his position. Apparently, even he forgot why he hated Xbox so much...
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post #114 of 152
What someone has an opinion that is different to yours so they "bug" you? Considering the hate being spewed in this thread It's me Who should feel aggrieved.

Well the good news is I shall express my opinion for as long as I see fit.

Look forward to it.

Hurray for exclusives. Viva Oculus

Keep it up Palmer.
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if we complain they will spin it (perhaps your job)

Unless of course you work for said placix if so.... bleep.

So that's your response to someone who's trying to act reasonably in the face of a mob and not intuit malevolent intent in otherwise neutral companies? To call me a shill?

If you want to be MY customer, then roll your tanker truck up to my yard and tell me if you want to fill it with 97 Octane or E85.
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From Wikipedia:
Don't want to go too far off topic, but I still wonder what Xbox One would have looked like if we could trade games digitally like this.

...Because that's the kind of stuff they were actually talking about doing. And then the cynicism set in.

Look at what they actually wanted to do, and then think about how that squares with your memory of what happened.

They reversed course because no one gave them the benefit of the doubt. Most of the time, they read the headline "Xbox One Has Anti-Consumer DRM" and immediately formed the opinion "Xbone bad. Microsoft bad. GRRRRRRR." Microsoft were RIGHT to reverse course, but they should have explained the situation more efficiently, rather than leading with "game disk gets locked to your XBL account".

Oh, and in case you didn't notice, the market is still holding a grudge against them for that. I was at Comicpalooza in Houston last weekend, and I got dumped on by some hipster podcasting trash for showing off a themed design of the newer Xbox One controllers from their Design Lab program. He started with the line "Come on, it's the Xbone." I just looked at him blankly and expected him to provide support for his position. Apparently, even he forgot why he hated Xbox so much...

It would be interesting to have seen where it would be, but statements like if you want to play offline we have a system for that the xbox 360. Also if I am not mistaken wasn't the system to be digital only? I am wondering atm if I should sell my xbox one to gamestop for $100 cash(bought the system for $250 2 years ago) and use it for my planned pc upgrade later this year since everything from Xbox is coming to pc anyways.

I do hope Occulus takes some of their criticism to heart and does change course on certain things. Imo exclusive titles while I can understand the reasoning, I just don't think it is a smart choice to make on the PC. I would expect any type of exclusive from Occulus to be Xbox Scorpio/PC, not Xbox Scorpio/PC Occulus*. Shutting people out on pc though is just not smart.
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What someone has an opinion that is different to yours so they "bug" you? Considering the hate being spewed in this thread It's me Who should feel aggrieved.

Well the good news is I shall express my opinion for as long as I see fit.

Look forward to it.

Hurray for exclusives. Viva Oculus

Keep it up Palmer.

Let's back up to previous comments of yours.

Oculus had a DISASTER of a launch. For every day they send product to Best Buy and Amazon and screw off their pre-order queue, they EXTEND their DISASTER of a launch. They have very poorly managed every bit of public sentiment about their business. They have dragged their feet on producing a motion controller, despite having the resources of Facebook backing them.

Those of us with Rifts are lucky, but I wouldn't fault a consumer for choosing a Vive based on the current market conditions. No, not all is well with Oculus. I think Rift will be better in the future, but it absolutely is NOT today.
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It would be interesting to have seen where it would be, but statements like if you want to play offline we have a system for that the xbox 360. Also if I am not mistaken wasn't the system to be digital only? I am wondering atm if I should sell my xbox one to gamestop for $100 cash(bought the system for $250 2 years ago) and use it for my planned pc upgrade later this year since everything from Xbox is coming to pc anyways.

I do hope Occulus takes some of their criticism to heart and does change course on certain things. Imo exclusive titles while I can understand the reasoning, I just don't think it is a smart choice to make on the PC. I would expect any type of exclusive from Occulus to be Xbox Scorpio/PC, not Xbox Scorpio/PC Occulus*. Shutting people out on pc though is just not smart.

No, not digital only, but if you put the disk in your console, it would download the game and run it without the disk, just like digital. Plus all the sharing options. Today, the same install thing happens, but you have to use the disk to run it. See, what Microsoft was proposing was revolutionary as far as a console was concerned. But then Sony laid on the snark and poisoned the audience against Microsoft. End result: what we got was a hobbled version instead of a wholly new way of being social with our game collection.

I totally agree. Major PR blunder by Microsoft. BUT these PR blunders are no worse than the mistakes Oculus is making right now. They are recoverable, but the grudge is already taking a chunk out of them.

I have my Xbox One in my living room because sometimes I can hole up in my room on my i7-6700k/980TI/Triple 144Hz 3D Montior/HOTAS cockpit/podcasting/livestreaming/VR... and other times I just can't and need to be out where my family is or I only have a few minutes to play a game of Rocket League. Such is the life of a family/career man who still loves technology.
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Let's back up to previous comments of yours.

Oculus had a DISASTER of a launch. For every day they send product to Best Buy and Amazon and screw off their pre-order queue, they EXTEND their DISASTER of a launch. They have very poorly managed every bit of public sentiment about their business. They have dragged their feet on producing a motion controller, despite having the resources of Facebook backing them.

Those of us with Rifts are lucky, but I wouldn't fault a consumer for choosing a Vive based on the current market conditions. No, not all is well with Oculus. I think Rift will be better in the future, but it absolutely is NOT today.


Whilst decisions they have made might not be popular, I would hardly all the launch a disaster - it was incredibly good!

They sold out for 6 months!!!!!!!
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Let's back up to previous comments of yours.

Oculus had a DISASTER of a launch. For every day they send product to Best Buy and Amazon and screw off their pre-order queue, they EXTEND their DISASTER of a launch. They have very poorly managed every bit of public sentiment about their business. They have dragged their feet on producing a motion controller, despite having the resources of Facebook backing them.

Those of us with Rifts are lucky, but I wouldn't fault a consumer for choosing a Vive based on the current market conditions. No, not all is well with Oculus. I think Rift will be better in the future, but it absolutely is NOT today.


Whilst decisions they have made might not be popular, I would hardly all the launch a disaster - it was incredibly good!

They sold out for 6 months!!!!!!!

And they are taking months and months after launch to send product to people who purchased the same day after sales went live. Whether they had supply issues or not, they were not prepared. And HTC Vive can put a headset of good quality on your doorstep in 72 hours right now. That qualifies as a disaster.

Please, denying the launch was a disaster is just embarrassing.
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