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Not having a graphics card for month and a half gave me time to look at my habit as a whole.

To give you a short backstory:

I was always an avid gamer, from the first Nintendo console and Super Mario Game, to Sega Genesis, to PS1, and slew of other off name brands. I was a gamer.
I always was infatuated by the gaming industry.

I was EXTREMELY proficient in games where you had to perfectly time your jumps from platform to platform and was easily the best in my block radius. In fact it helped me learn how to drive, before I actually got into the car. Simply because I knew how to time my driving skills and how to successfully pass cars safely in rush hour traffic. I just simply thought of them as platforms and my car was just another object in the game of life.

I did have a compulsive behavior with gaming though, I had to be pried from the TV screen with reinforced steel cables, because I was just consumed by wanting to play more and more. Luckily for me my parents always limited my play time, because they saw how disconnected I would be from the reality. Hell, the fantasy was better than this world, so I thought.

Yet, I was always the type to run in the streets with my friends and go find adventures, unlike our modern generation of kids that only stay within the confines of their rooms.

The love for gaming carried over into high school times, but now my parents limited me less than before, because I demanded respect (lol) as every teenager thinking he understands life. They kind of gave up and stopped bothering me so much, so I did not have curfew on my gaming as much. I started noticing that I wanted to play so much that made me skip my basketball routine and weight lifting regiment. I had to force myself to stop gaming, but I could feel that the addiction was growing at that point even more.

Around 2003 or 2004 I quit gaming, because I saw how much it was consuming me. I have not played a single video game for 9 years. In 2013 I wanted to play an old Tiberian Sun game that I had, so I dusted off the computer, unfortunately the graphics card died and I was off on craigslist looking for another. To make long story short I resurrected my addiction and rebuild my computer from scratch.

After about 3 years of gaming I looked at my patterns. I became much lazier with my weight lifting schedule as before, I became more disconnected to actual reality. Then I got fired. but in a sense gaming helped me through that dark time. The problem is that I did not stop binge gaming right away due to depression of being fired from a company where I worked for 4 years. Luckily I had my parents around, that do not even know I play video games. They helped me get off my ass and find a job. Yet, a job didn't really help. I started gaming even more. Sometimes sitting for 10 hours playing, dehydrated or hungry. I started halting the pattern again.

Yet, still played, but more moderately. Battlefield 4 was my addiction with over 1300 hours played. I was on the mission to get all the attachments and guns. To hone my skills, etc.

In May I decided to sell my GTX 980 to get an upgrade, in mist of 1080 madness I decided to wait longer, but it was really tough at first. I literally started feeling a body ache and anxious anxiety without games I tend to play. I was baffled.

I am very familiar with opiate addiction, which happened to me due to similar patterns with the drug itself (very similar to my gaming). Started small when I quit smoking, and started popping a pill here and there. Working out heavy, gave me an excuse for "pain relief". Then it become a pattern. Once I recognized that I was addicted, I just kicked it cold turkey. Gaming withdrawal was exactly the same, similar headache and complete disinterest to life. Apathy at the core.

I told myself this is good, and just waited. After about 2 weeks of not gaming I stopped fiending for it. I realized how filthy my house has become. How much stuff was broken and needed to be fixed, because I would just play and play. I started fixing everything. This took my mind off my addiction to gaming. I was back to my weight lifting routine once again. Feeling better than ever.

All of the sudden I had all the energy in the world, which I did not even know I had.

I realized how much mental energy the gaming was burning, just draining my spirit. The catch-22 with gaming is that when you have a GREAT round, you continue playing. When you have a CRAPPY round, you want to play more until you have a GREAT round, but then you want to play more. RINSE and REPEAT.

I am also a Hypnotherapist so I am familiar how our conscience works, and it takes 21 day cycle to develop a habit. After that...the habit is reinforced and becomes stronger. You can literally change your whole life in a period of 21 days, but you need to do something else for these consecutive 21 days for the mind to accept the change.

I am not even touching countless chases for the high through new games, that is perhaps stronger than the opiate addiction (at least to me) . The plateau becomes higher and higher, and the high from games is becoming more and more elusive. Until you lose feeling for the same game that you used to adore.

So many computer upgrades, and it just goes on.


My point is this...ladies and gentlemen: Understand your actions and the cost of those actions as well. Because you may miss your whole life in a blink of an eye, and simple pass time can become your whole life.

My friend calculated my 1300 hours of BF4 as 40 hour work weeks for the whole year. It's NUTS. I had zero control, and how many times the toxic players in the game would make it worse. Joy turned to anxiety, because you would then expect people talking sh to you all the time. Mentally expecting bad, instead of good.

Of course I grew tougher skin, but maaaaaaaaan it wears on you. Gaming industry is a mixed batch. It's far from good, but it's neither evil.

The main question is:

Do you have control of it, or are you lying to yourself like me (wasting your life away) ?


Edited by XLifted - 6/22/16 at 12:05am
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Glad to hear you have gotten a handle on things. I myself have gotten pretty bad with gaming for short periods of time, but other responsibilities, our life in general kicks in before it gets too bad. Yes, there was a game that almost cost newer my marriage, but there were other variables to factor into that period of life, namely alcohol.
These days I really only play about 8-12 hours a week, so instead I chose what I will play during those times wisely.
The rest of the time I spend working, working on the house, playing with my son, or spending time with my wife, our relationship has gotten quite a lot better, who figured that would happen, lol.
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Now ditch your phone for a month and see how amazing life is.
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I have thought about getting rid of my phone, seriously the ammount of time I spend on it doing pointless stuff ( like reddit and imgur ) is ridiculous.
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I have to admit I've had a few arguments with my wife about the time i spend on the computer, you literally lose a sense of time.
working on the problem still.....hard battle.

enjoyed the read Xlifted. Gave me another kick in the butt to get of my computer chair. thumb.gif
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So it's one of those topic again. I agree with you on one thing - online gaming is highly toxic due to it's nature and especially in recent years due to the whole esports thing and how big it all became. I am much happier with gaming when I quit online gaming and returned to single player and co-op only gaming.

I don't agree with the whole gaming is a waste of life point you tried to make. By that logic you can say any hobby or anything in general is a waste of life. Working is a waste of life, not working is a waste of life, having kids is a waste of life, not having kids is a waste of life, partying is a waste of life, not partying is a waste of life etc etc. It's all relative and it varies greatly from person to person what they consider is a waste of life.
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Appreciate the read. I can tell a lot of thought and effort was put in to what you have typed here.

However, I must say that I have been gaming since before even the Nintendo console and all through my life it has been about moderation. Others have mentioned it here, but it goes without saying regarding anything life. You can let that thing consume you and control you. It isn't the fault of the thing that you get consumed by it - it's all in how you control your life.

Obviously the chemical addiction to a drug is a different kind of addiction that can't be 100% controlled by you - but that isn't directly what this topic is about.

More or less, I've got a place for gaming in my life, but I don't let it control my every decision. Yes, there are days when I just want to check out and forget the world exists and just play game, but isn't that what *any* hobby is for?
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Glad to hear you have gotten a handle on things. I myself have gotten pretty bad with gaming for short periods of time, but other responsibilities, our life in general kicks in before it gets too bad. Yes, there was a game that almost cost newer my marriage, but there were other variables to factor into that period of life, namely alcohol.
These days I really only play about 8-12 hours a week, so instead I chose what I will play during those times wisely.
The rest of the time I spend working, working on the house, playing with my son, or spending time with my wife, our relationship has gotten quite a lot better, who figured that would happen, lol.

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That's great man, I'm glad it all turned around for you as well. Moderation is the only way, that's what I realized myself. I was an inch away from giving away all of my games recently, but came to my senses. Considering how much money I have spent on everything. And it's also better having it and not doing it, rather than not having it, and wanting it.

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Now ditch your phone for a month and see how amazing life is.

smile.gif You know, maybe I am a freak of this generation....but I have Samsung Note 3, on which I can play games, serf the web, etc. But I don't use those functions, I don't even exceed 500 mbs of phone data a month. Usually around 100 to 200mb for sending business emails and GPS.

I am completely free from my phone, those emails also are rare, so GPS is my main function for my current driving work.

I kind of look with remorse at people that are stuck to their phone screens, I rather despise it, because people crash cars, walk into people, and hog the workout equipment for 20 minutes, because there is something "more interesting" on their phone. I do have a desire to come and slap them and say: "PAY ATTENTION"

Driving and surfing the web kills lives, literally. I see it so often. I do miss my flip phone. It was quicker response too. tongue.gif
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I have thought about getting rid of my phone, seriously the ammount of time I spend on it doing pointless stuff ( like reddit and imgur ) is ridiculous.

That's why I never got into it, because I knew it would be bad. I just use basic phone functions, and text...but even that rarely. Calling is much quicker. smile.gif
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I have to admit I've had a few arguments with my wife about the time i spend on the computer, you literally lose a sense of time.
working on the problem still.....hard battle.

enjoyed the read Xlifted. Gave me another kick in the butt to get of my computer chair. thumb.gif

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That's why I wrote it man, all the best to you smile.gif
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So it's one of those topic again. I agree with you on one thing - online gaming is highly toxic due to it's nature and especially in recent years due to the whole esports thing and how big it all became. I am much happier with gaming when I quit online gaming and returned to single player and co-op only gaming.

I don't agree with the whole gaming is a waste of life point you tried to make. By that logic you can say any hobby or anything in general is a waste of life. Working is a waste of life, not working is a waste of life, having kids is a waste of life, not having kids is a waste of life, partying is a waste of life, not partying is a waste of life etc etc. It's all relative and it varies greatly from person to person what they consider is a waste of life.

Well...work is a necessity, it brings bread to the table. So it cannot be a waste, unless it destroys your life.

Hobby is only good if it brings out the best in you. If your hobby is walking around the city robbing people...then it's a BAD HOBBY, and a waste of life.

Having kids should be for yourself, not for anybody else, not your wife, not your mother/father. Having kids is leaving a legacy behind in this world. Having kids is divine, if it's done with a right woman and in pure thought.

It's definitely relative, but comparing Gaming to work and kids is off.

It would be easier to compare Gaming to playing Basketball, which I can still say that the later will bring more benefit to you, due to physical activity improving overall health.


Problem with gaming is that you sit in the same spot too, making your lymph system almost stop, decreasing blood vessel use and fixated eyes looking at close distance is detrimental for your eye sight. Not even touching the fact you look into the source for hours.


The positive thing is the level of creativity in gaming, that may activate certain brain regions that are dormant, but that's on person to person basis. Because some people will never get out of their closed minded perception of the world. This is seen in Gaming when you have 90% of the team funneling through death trap over and over, spawn after spawn, instead of going around. Gaming is a good stress relief....IF.....you have a good experience. If you are struggling with game mechanics, or the game is too hard where it creates frustration it can leave you physically and mentally drained. Because our frustration triggers the same pain region as the physical damage, and one activates another.

Single player is definitely a more controlled environment, because you have less variables added into the equation of that experience.

The plotline of the game can actually shift that as well. When I have played Bioschock Infinite, it gradually changed my mindstate of happiness and joy into a dark and heavy feeling. When I have reached a final level where there were hordes of George Washingtons (lol) ghosts I was already feeling saddened by the plot of the game. The grim realization of corruption of Elizabeth's character, the evil of her father. By the time I have reached the end I was confused, and then it happened (spoiler) the father was YOU.....and she kills you. I don't think there was a single game in my life that affected me so negatively.

I literally walked out of my room with a frown on my face, and I remember driving to my Mom's house, and I was so pessimistic about everything. Like it was me that was killed. The world became grim and dark for those 40+ minutes, and everything seemed pointless. By the multi-verse explanation.

It's not that I wanted happy end in that game, but the game effed me mentally. Not in a good way too. So even a single player can have a profound negative psychological effect on you.

I used to play first Bioshock 1 and 2 for hours, eventually I started seeing those splicers in my dream, because the fantasy trails into your subconscience, which can be a good or bad depending on content.

Just like hanging out with Meth dealers will have an affect on your mindstate, even if you are a person with morals that does not do drugs, and are a law abiding citizen.

Our mind and subconscience is powerful thing, and whatever you feed it...is exactly what you get out of it. It can backfire on you in real world, because it flows back into our reality.

It's natural like that.
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No, you didn't understand me at all, I wasn't comparing gaming to work (even though you can make money from gaming), I was giving examples of what can be considered a waste of life depending on perspective. For some people rotting in an office chair from 9 to 5 is a waste of life, for others having kids is a waste of life, for you gaming is a waste of life, etc.

You seem to have very addictive personality and for you it must be all or nothing when it comes to gaming. If you could just find balance it would all be solved. You can have balanced life AND be a gamer, you know? Everything in moderation, man...

There is no problem with gaming, just you and hopefully you'll see it soon.
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Our mind and subconscience is powerful thing, and whatever you feed it...is exactly what you get out of it. It can backfire on you in real world, because it flows back into our reality.
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No, you didn't understand me at all, I wasn't comparing gaming to work (even though you can make money from gaming), I was giving examples of what can be considered a waste of life depending on perspective. For some people rotting in an office chair from 9 to 5 is a waste of life, for others having kids is a waste of life, for you gaming is a waste of life, etc.

You seem to have very addictive personality and for you it must be all or nothing when it comes to gaming. If you could just find balance it would all be solved. You can have balanced life AND be a gamer, you know? Everything in moderation, man...

There is no problem with gaming, just you and hopefully you'll see it soon.

smile.gif Didn't you read what I wrote in my 1st post? I did say that I had addictive personality. In 2nd post I explained that it's also perception of what a waste of life is, everyone has a different definition.

I speak for people that it is an issue, you can say that drugs are not the problem but the problem is an addict. True and False. Because if you isolate the source of an addiction it is completely removed.

I simply said that you should be aware of what you are doing, so it doesn't become your whole life. (1st post). So even though we are saying the same thing, we are simply saying it differently. Also many gamers that truly blow their health, and marriage to gaming tend to say that the gaming is not a problem.

I speak to those in DENIAL, that like to hide from their own addictions. I openly spoke about it, so I'm not sure what you want me to see about it.
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