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First of all, thanks to Andromydous for such a post, thumb.gif I' have been reading the hole post and it is full of IMPORTANT information, based on his experience I have OC my modest rig.

I'm running now at @4.1Ghz CV 1.35v and it is very stable.

First time I set @4.3Ghz but it crashes for the first 5 minutes, twice and drop a Blue screen of death with the error "CLOCK WATCHDOG TIMEOUT". Then I set it at @4.1Ghz and here are the results.




I ran AIDA64 for 10m and the system was pretty stable, and then play HoTs like 2 hours and no blue screen or errors.

But I would like to reach @4.3Ghz, and run stable, I'll try setting less CV. If you guys have any advise please let me know, really appreciate.

Best regards!
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Ok, the reason I mentioned the PSU at all is because of that 10 volt reading in the 12 volt spot. That could be a big reason for your overclocking problems. I mentioned that you would gag when you saw the price and........ayup, you gagged.

I understand and sympathize with you about money being tight. I'm retired and my wife is on disability. And I drive an 19 year old car. Wait. It's a 1997 and the 2017s are coming out soon. Anyway, there are things that I too would like to do and will......some day.

My intention was to point out a possible problem and a solution, not to irritate you. redface.gif

Then we're both at fault. biggrin.gif I shouldn't have been quite as sensitive and you should have told me that from the get go. I've run into to many people whose criticism serves only to tear people and their achievements down. Like "Why did you get team group? You should have gotten a Samsung SSD!" or "You should have just dropped the SSD and spent that money on a GTX 960!" or "You're so cheap for spending only $50 on your case!" or "You could have just saved the money and bought a rope to hang yourself with!"

That last one was extreme, but I've seen people literally get that extreme with others. Back on topic though, I thought I had $50 free and was looking at that Raidmax. I don't.....er I should say my wife doesn't have $50 free. I'm too sensitive, maybe but it's a slight result of not being able to help with income. I won't go into it all, but I'm one of those people who's fallen through the crack. Can't get insurance and can't get disability, without an "official" diagnosis. Which is great, because if my kidney disease goes at the same speed as my dad's then I'm only looking at another 15 years of life. It's not the length of time left that bothers me. It's the quality of life. Did not mean to get so personal.

HwInfo seems to have a lot of things mislabled. I do know which temps are which because they match up with Core Temp and that other hardware monitoring program. So, let's pull up both programs side by side and see what's what.
Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

There is a slight argument between HwInfo and CPUID Hardware Monitoring about the 12v. CPUID also wins the award for have their stuff labled properly it seems.

To finish: 1) I'm sorry and 2) Unless something comes up, I won't be able to upgrade anymore of my hardware until late February (when our tax refund comes in).
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First of all, thanks to Andromydous for such a post, thumb.gif I' have been reading the hole post and it is full of IMPORTANT information, based on his experience I have OC my modest rig.

I'm running now at @4.1Ghz CV 1.35v and it is very stable.

First time I set @4.3Ghz but it crashes for the first 5 minutes, twice and drop a Blue screen of death with the error "CLOCK WATCHDOG TIMEOUT". Then I set it at @4.1Ghz and here are the results.




I ran AIDA64 for 10m and the system was pretty stable, and then play HoTs like 2 hours and no blue screen or errors.

But I would like to reach @4.3Ghz, and run stable, I'll try setting less CV. If you guys have any advise please let me know, really appreciate.

Best regards!

Welcome. I'm glad my struggles have been able to help you. With the exception of a couple of misunderstandings, These guys have been pretty helpful and very patient biggrin.gif! The one advice I have is that overclocking is a slow process, but the pay off can be worth it. The average overclock for fx6300 is 4.5-4.5ghz. I can get it but with slightly higher vcore and right at the line for temps. But, if all I can "safely" get is 4.4ghz then it's still much faster than stock.

The spread sheet data was suggested and inspired by the guys on here. It gives a visual to see what you gain/lose going from overclock to overclock. 4.5ghz was my goal, but according to what I've seen, 4.4ghz is better. At least for now. So listen to them and be patient. Overclocking is fun and addicting, IMHO, and worth the "struggles"!

Speaking of which, Sand (or anyone else who wants to), I know it seems obvious, but can you give me some guidance on OFFSET? I think the 4.5ghz is completely doable. Not as a 24/7 overclock. Not right now. But I think with CNQ enabled, it would be fine. Even if 4.4ghz is what I end up with, I could benefit from CNQ.
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Sand (or anyone else who wants to), I know it seems obvious, but can you give me some guidance on OFFSET? I think the 4.5ghz is completely doable. Not as a 24/7 overclock. Not right now. But I think with CNQ enabled, it would be fine. Even if 4.4ghz is what I end up with, I could benefit from CNQ.

I'll try to keep it simple.
When using "Offset Voltage Mode" Vcore equals CPU VID (HWinfo64 Maximum header) plus Offset used (.00625 = 1 bump) plus any LLC that is applied.

Start with CPU VID value under Maximum tab in HWinfo64 (can't see it in HWmonitor).
My CPU VID is 1.475v + 2 bumps of offset voltage (.00625v) and I have my Vcore (1.488v) once in Windows Vcore reads between 1.488v and 1.500v for me.
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I'll try to keep it simple.
When using "Offset Voltage Mode" Vcore equals CPU VID (HWinfo64 Maximum header) plus Offset used (.00625 = 1 bump) plus any LLC that is applied.

Start with CPU VID value under Maximum tab in HWinfo64 (can't see it in HWmonitor).
My CPU VID is 1.475v + 2 bumps of offset voltage (.00625v) and I have my Vcore (1.488v) once in Windows Vcore reads between 1.488v and 1.500v for me.

Oh, lol well that is pretty simple. I don't know why you couldn't see it, but my CPU VID is 1.30v and my CPU/NB VID is 1.875v. Basically, Offset mode involves a bunch of math. Now I'm wishing I had logged what the vcore was in bios for each clock speed. The CPU will only get the full vcore as needed when using CNQ, right? I'm trying to understand how CNQ will act without turbo on.
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Sand, correct me if im wrong but the advnatge of using offset combined with Vcore is primarily becausenit applies to all P states when using more than one...therefore all p states get a bit more juice. Is that correct?

Is there any advantage to using an offset otherwise?

I had one instance where using Vcore + offset gave me better stability on an OC than just using straight Vcore setting at the same combined value.

I have not been abke to repeat that circumstance on any other rig so far though.
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Oh, lol well that is pretty simple. I don't know why you couldn't see it, but my CPU VID is 1.30v and my CPU/NB VID is 1.875v. Basically, Offset mode involves a bunch of math. Now I'm wishing I had logged what the vcore was in bios for each clock speed. The CPU will only get the full vcore as needed when using CNQ, right? I'm trying to understand how CNQ will act without turbo on.

I didn't see it due to a severe cranium rectal inversion, totally my bad for trying to help while being rushed with company arriving apologies.
While I agree that NB VID is 1.875v where do you get CPU VID at 1.30v?
I'm seeing 1.425v eek.gif

Disable ALL power savings and reboot into Windows and see what CPU VID reads.
Guessing this might put a little different light on the subject wink.gif

C&Q acts the same with, or without Turbo enabled. Two different entities. You'll see the power savings the same, only change will be the max clock speed.


gapottberg: I've read something to that effect but honestly it's been to long (don't recall) I've been on offset since the beginning of the CHIV days where it was covered in depth iirc.

After the differences in the voltages etc many mobo/bios will not enable C&Q after a certain CPU multiplier is used (22.5 on the CHIV-F iirc).
So depending how you OC and whether or not you want to enable C&Q Offset can come into play.
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I didn't see it due to a severe cranium rectal inversion, totally my bad for trying to help while being rushed with company arriving apologies.
While I agree that NB VID is 1.875v where do you get CPU VID at 1.30v?
I'm seeing 1.425v eek.gif

Disable ALL power savings and reboot into Windows and see what CPU VID reads.
Guessing this might put a little different light on the subject wink.gif

C&Q acts the same with, or without Turbo enabled. Two different entities. You'll see the power savings the same, only change will be the max clock speed.


gapottberg: I've read something to that effect but honestly it's been to long (don't recall) I've been on offset since the beginning of the CHIV days where it was covered in depth iirc.

After the differences in the voltages etc many mobo/bios will not enable C&Q after a certain CPU multiplier is used (22.5 on the CHIV-F iirc).
So depending how you OC and whether or not you want to enable C&Q Offset can come into play.

LOL! No worries man. I don't have any power savings on.......but here's what stock settings look like:



Edit: doh.gif I completely forgot! When I take a break from trying to get my overclocking, I revert back to stock which means hitting F5 and making sure cpu fan is ignored in monitoring tab. Sorry about that.
Edited by Andromydous - 8/13/16 at 11:15pm
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I did 4.4ghz with CNQ now turned on and I'm not seeing any difference except that the voltage drops a bit. Was expecting the core freq would drop/raise per need just like it does at F5 settings.
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wanted to say i got my fx 6300 running, put it on a bit better of a board than i planned to. a giga 970 mobo

I cant remember exactly what it is set at now but i think with the llc it peaked at like 1.412 while running consistently at 1.388 during the stress test @4.6.

planning to see what it needs to run at 4.8 and 5.0 soon. Didn't go over 57c in a 30min prime 95 run

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