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The Dram options might be hidden due to DOCP being enabled, just a guess.

The PSU isn't the greatest (think that was covered earlier) but the settings above are just manually entering what the Bios has determined for the systems needs. It's not really increasing them, only locking them down. As for the Digi settings I only wanted you to have an idea that these settings can/will/do help when taken advantage of so don't be shy and start with lowest setting on one particular item at a time.

There will be a learning curve and it can take a lot of testing. Keeping good notes with changes you've made and time till failure results (things like this) it's very helpful.
Like I mentioned, IBT AVX works real well through these early stages as it (the test) has values you can see change when you make a change in the Bios and helps to determine if changes are actually making an improvement. When it (your current path/changes) stops helping time to look for another cause of instability.

Take your time and don't rush.

The PSU is definitely the next thing I upgrade. I plan to stick this one in my son's build early 2017, so it won't go to waste. Besides, I'm the only one in the family that "needs" to have an overclocked cpu. The only reason I brought the PSU back up is that I don't want to cause it's untimely demise and I'm not sure how DIGI affects the PSU.

Here's what sickens me to the core. I built both my wife's pc and my pc in late February. She has same PSU, same GPU, and is running an 860k. A couple of months later, AMD started putting much better stock coolers called Wraith that actually has 4 (?) heat pipes and a slighty lower tier version on a bunch of their processors. That includes both of our CPU's. Also, the EVGA 600w 80+ Bronze is now the same price on Newegg as the PSU we have right now. It's like buying a brand new car only to find out a few months later that the same car with a few more options added cost less than what you paid. But, I digress.

In an hour or so I'll get back to overclocking. I don't sleep good, so I'll probably be up for quite a while. I'll check out the IBT AVX while I'm at it. Thank you for your patience. I will say that despite not being to get a completely stable 4.5ghz yet. I am happy with the results so far. Before, I was only able to get to 4.0ghz at max temp limits. But now that I see 4.5ghz on the horizon, I'm curious if 4.6ghz would be possible. One thing at a time, though. biggrin.gif
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When it comes to PSUs here's a great place to start http://www.overclock.net/t/1431929/psu-index-thread (in case you haven't seen it)
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When it comes to PSUs here's a great place to start http://www.overclock.net/t/1431929/psu-index-thread (in case you haven't seen it)

I don't get it. EVGA is held in high regard for their graphics cards. Guess I'll be looking for a different brand. However, I'm still on a budget so..........

4.4ghz wasn't stable either. It passed 1 hour prime test. When I went back again yesterday, it failed. No settings were changed. I haven't had internet for the last 2 days and couldn't remember which things you said to possibly bump for stability. I did have that piledriver/bulldozer overlocking guide printed out and went over it several times. I have no idea when to bump those and when to only worry about vcore. The other thing I'm confused about is when the guide says bump 1 point or 3 points, is he saying hitting the plus key that many times or is he saying, for example, going from 1.20 to 1.21. There's a difference cuz on my board the plus key adds only 0.00625.

I feel like I'm hitting a mental brick wall for some reason. I'm not a genius, but I am fairly smart and learn fairly quickly. But, overlocking has me looking like an idiot. Especially when all the videos I've seen make it look so easy. Anyways, now that I have my internet back, I'm going to grab that IBT AVX.

Edit: Is it possible that I'm over volting my cpu from the get go? I've seen to videos so far where their stock vcore is near or around 1.2v. I've been starting at 1.30v. Just curious.
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That is a good board. Just make sure the memory is stable and crank up the multi. As a general rule of thumb 1.4 volts @ 4.5 ghz is average. YMMV.
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That is a good board. Just make sure the memory is stable and crank up the multi. As a general rule of thumb 1.4 volts @ 4.5 ghz is average. YMMV.


TY. Although I must admit that my wallet cried when I bought it. Never spent that much on a mobo before. I couldn't even get a 4.5ghz stable @ 1.52v. Obviously an operator error, but I haven't figured it out yet.
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Let's talk voltage for a second. I need some things clarified. First let me give a real world example.

1) I have my vcore manually set at stock, which is 1.296v for my cpu. CPU LLC is set at ultra high.
2) Once booted and at idle, the vcore bounces between 1.30v and 1.32v.
3) At full load, the vcore hovers between 1.32 and 1.33v.

Now the question: When I'm told that a certain freq should be able to run at a certain vcore, which vcore stat is being referred to? Let's say that someone states that on average 4.5ghz should be able to run at around 1.4v, are they talking 1.4v they manually put in or 1.4v on full load after LLC is doing it's thing?

Let's talk LLC for a second. Between searching online and real world experience, I have a rough idea of what LLC does. However, I'm a little confused about it's benefits. On my board there's no option to disable it. I do know that each setting will produce different results.

If I set it to ultra high, a manual input of 1.43v will result in 1.50-1.51v on full load and a 1.48v on idle. 1.43v on full load would give me 48-50c. Plenty of head room. However, with LLC factored in, I lose that headroom and run borderline 60-61c. Only talking core temps. So why is ultra high (or 75% in some bios) a recommended setting?

Also, in the realm of vcore settings, I'm still confused about whether a "bump" of voltage by a point means 0.01v or the bios standard increase of 0.00625v.

Can someone, also, tell me why I have never gotten a single core failure? I have failed a Prime95 test plenty of times, but never any core failures.

On a side note: On stock settings with turbo on and everything, my CPU will turbo up to 4.1ghz @ 1.44ghz. Don't if that's any helpful information.
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Ultra high LLC is for experts who are going for the ultimate overclock. I am running at 5 ghz with "high" LLC. More is not always better.

The only voltage that matters is what it is running at while under a 100% load. When 4.5 ghz @ 1.4 vcore is mentioned it is in a 100% load context.

A voltage bump is whatever the bios does when going up one click.

Turbo overvolts to be on the safe side. That is a good reason to disable it.
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Ultra high LLC is for experts who are going for the ultimate overclock. I am running at 5 ghz with "high" LLC. More is not always better.

The only voltage that matters is what it is running at while under a 100% load. When 4.5 ghz @ 1.4 vcore is mentioned it is in a 100% load context.

A voltage bump is whatever the bios does when going up one click.

Turbo overvolts to be on the safe side. That is a good reason to disable it.

I started from scratch again at stock with all the appropriate things turned off and all the appropriate things manually put in. I wanted to remind myself the various LLC settings results. High has the least drop under load for me. Medium was fine at stock voltage, but when I got to 3.9ghz @ 1.32v, Medium was dropping the volts down to 1.29v under load. So, I'm guessing that the higher you get with the manual vcore the more of a variance there will be. At the same 3.9ghz settings, High gets me 1.33v on idle and 1.32v on load. So, I'm going to stay with High for now.

Thank you for clearing up the 4.5ghz @ 1.4 vcore. It's looking like this chip doesn't want to hit 4.5ghz despite a lot of people being able to get it. Maybe in more experience hands it could do it.

I always turn off turbo core when attempting overclock. I just thought it was a sign that this chip required more volts than most for higher clocks. I know each CPU is different. Almost wish I had a second one so I could put my eyes on the differences between the two. Thank for reassuring me that the 1.44v on turbo is a safety measure, though.

I kinda feel sorry for everyone trying to help me. I feel like I keep circling the same things (but from a different angle). I don't mean to. It's just that I want to make sure I have a solid understanding of this and I don't seem to get the same results twice for the same settings. Probably doesn't help that for the last month and a half I haven't slept more than 2-3 hours a day, with the exception of a couple of days. I'm just thankful for everyone's patience.
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I started from scratch again at stock with all the appropriate things turned off and all the appropriate things manually put in. I wanted to remind myself the various LLC settings results. High has the least drop under load for me. Medium was fine at stock voltage, but when I got to 3.9ghz @ 1.32v, Medium was dropping the volts down to 1.29v under load. So, I'm guessing that the higher you get with the manual vcore the more of a variance there will be. At the same 3.9ghz settings, High gets me 1.33v on idle and 1.32v on load. So, I'm going to stay with High for now.

Thank you for clearing up the 4.5ghz @ 1.4 vcore. It's looking like this chip doesn't want to hit 4.5ghz despite a lot of people being able to get it. Maybe in more experience hands it could do it.

I always turn off turbo core when attempting overclock. I just thought it was a sign that this chip required more volts than most for higher clocks. I know each CPU is different. Almost wish I had a second one so I could put my eyes on the differences between the two. Thank for reassuring me that the 1.44v on turbo is a safety measure, though.

I kinda feel sorry for everyone trying to help me. I feel like I keep circling the same things (but from a different angle). I don't mean to. It's just that I want to make sure I have a solid understanding of this and I don't seem to get the same results twice for the same settings. Probably doesn't help that for the last month and a half I haven't slept more than 2-3 hours a day, with the exception of a couple of days. I'm just thankful for everyone's patience.

Never any need to feel sorry, we were all in the same boat as you are right now at one point in time.
Patience is what one needs most to OC so it's all good!

Yes you are thinking correctly about how LLC works with higher clocks. Many things/requirements can and do change as you raise the clock.
Here's more on LLC if you're interested https://linustechtips.com/main/topic/24019-load-line-calibration-why-overclockers-should-care/
I choose to run with just a little boost but with exact same Vcore under load. Benefit is a slightly lower Vcore setting in the end.
If you're starting a new clock also try "Offset" voltage mode. This can also change things.
You did read that part in the guide about HPC Mode right?


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Keep track (good notes) of where your last OC ended up. (which settings you used and failure times etc)
Refer back to guide for Digi settings (130% and 130). Just food for thought, my chip needs 130% and 144 and 130% but it's an animal all of it's own lol. Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
This setup requires two bumps (2 x .00625v) of Vcore above CPU VID (1.475v) to stabilize 100MHz above turbo clock (FX9590 turbo = 5.0GHz). 1.488 in Bios, 1.500 idle in Windows 1.512 under load at 5117MHz. This all just for reference only and to show you that learning how/what some of these settings will do for you can make a big difference in your OC.

If after maybe six to eight increases to one area isn't helping, it might be time to back up a little and try something different right? Process of elimination generally works to a point.
Give that IBT AVX a try (linked above) and post your results. It'll go faster than Prime95 for the early stages of testing. I start with 10 runs set to Very High.
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