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I did what I said I was going to do with the DRAM Timing. It allowed me to lock in a majority of the settings for what my RAM is rated at. But, there's one difference, which I will go into shortly.

I decided to go with overclocking with straight up fsb rather than the multi. I only did a stability test, however, I was able to get a 10 minute pass for 3.9ghz @ 1.30v (stock). I wasn't able to do that with the multiplier method.

What I did was set my RAM freq to 1600mhz, the CPU/NB freq to 2000, and the HT Link to 2000. The default for the last two is 2200. At 3.9ghz, they were 2420ish. I'm trying to get to 4.5ghz. I figured by that point I would have to readjust them and my MB only goes to 2600 on the HT Link. I'd hit that way before getting to 4.5ghz. So, that's why I set it at 2000.

I'm still stunned that I was able to pass a 10 minute Prime95 test with 3.9ghz at stock voltage. Oh, I almost forgot. I have both LLC's set at high and both Current Capability set at 120%. I, also, set CPU Power Phase Control to Optimized. Trying to keep temps low, which ruled out the Extreme setting.

Here's the pic: Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

On to bigger and better things! wheee.gif

Edit: So, I am up to 4.3ghz and just about to run a 10 minute test, when I realized that I had left turbo on. doh.gif
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I've reached the same results as with the multiplier overclock, except CPU/NB is at 1.30v, my RAM is lower (17xx), and the CPU/NB freq and HT Link is 2046. My temps are.......well you'll see in the pic. I'm starting to wonder if this chip can do 4.5ghz.
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Okay, Sand, I finally used IBT. Grant it, I tested it at stock manual settings. LOL! It said my CPU was fully stable. It should be at stock. What does all that information mean though? Here's the pic:
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On HWInfo64 what does it list for CPU VID and NB VID? Read under the maximum header.
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Okay, Sand, I finally used IBT. Grant it, I tested it at stock manual settings. LOL! It said my CPU was fully stable. It should be at stock. What does all that information mean though? Here's the pic:

Start with "Results"
These are some general rules I follow

Results should always be positive. Negitive results = fail even though test may claim you passed. You will see this at one point.
As you make changes this value will change. Your 3.3xxx is spot on for stock settings.
On both my 8350 and 9590 I strive to keep it close to 3.6xxx to 3.8xxx as much as possible for very high. Less usually doesn't pass 10 runs on very high and any higher is usually a sign of over volting.
If you can pass with lower, than proceed to run 10 to 20 runs set to Maximum. You can see how the results value changes between very high and maximum using same Bios settings Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

These are tests from when I was adjusting/testing the CPU Power Thermal Control in Digi settings.

Use common sense with where you're at in your OC. Vcore usually gets you a good ways but when it stops helping it will show here. Results or failure time will suddenly go the other way.
Just pay attention to how results change (and time till failure) when a Vcore increase is made.
If results value is low you can stop the test short and make another small quick increase and restart test to check value. Repeat till you can get close than let test run through. Saves time.

At some point Vcore won't have any positive affects so use this same process and adjust a different area (after reducing Vcore a bit) and you'll see if it helps fairly quick. (thinking areas mentioned above)

There's a lot more i can share but out of time for the evening. Give it a few runs and work on keeping good notes. You will see patterns as you gather notes.

Keep us posted and have fun!
You might consider renaming/rearranging HWInfo to show most looked at values like snips above as it does help save questions when everything is showing. Take time I know biggrin.gif
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On HWInfo64 what does it list for CPU VID and NB VID? Read under the maximum header.
Start with "Results"
These are some general rules I follow

Results should always be positive. Negitive results = fail even though test may claim you passed. You will see this at one point.
As you make changes this value will change. Your 3.3xxx is spot on for stock settings.
On both my 8350 and 9590 I strive to keep it close to 3.6xxx to 3.8xxx as much as possible for very high. Less usually doesn't pass 10 runs on very high and any higher is usually a sign of over volting.
If you can pass with lower, than proceed to run 10 to 20 runs set to Maximum. You can see how the results value changes between very high and maximum using same Bios settings Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

These are tests from when I was adjusting/testing the CPU Power Thermal Control in Digi settings.

Use common sense with where you're at in your OC. Vcore usually gets you a good ways but when it stops helping it will show here. Results or failure time will suddenly go the other way.
Just pay attention to how results change (and time till failure) when a Vcore increase is made.
If results value is low you can stop the test short and make another small quick increase and restart test to check value. Repeat till you can get close than let test run through. Saves time.

At some point Vcore won't have any positive affects so use this same process and adjust a different area (after reducing Vcore a bit) and you'll see if it helps fairly quick. (thinking areas mentioned above)

There's a lot more i can share but out of time for the evening. Give it a few runs and work on keeping good notes. You will see patterns as you gather notes.

Keep us posted and have fun!
You might consider renaming/rearranging HWInfo to show most looked at values like snips above as it does help save questions when everything is showing. Take time I know biggrin.gif

While I didn't rename anything (for sanity's sake), I did hide all the things I'm not interested in seeing and I expanded the window vertically so everything I need is in plain view. I have a 23" 1080p monitor and realty is a tiny bit limited when I have all the tools pulled up.

Had some storms roll by, so I stopped at the stock settings. I've been super cautious since 11th grade when we had a lightning storm. Sounds redundant, but several lightning hit the UHF/VHF antenna wire outside and shot straight into the house and blew up the antenna rotor. Stop guessing. I'm 39. So now when I hear thunder that sounds close, I'll shut off all pc's at every switch down to the surge protectors.

The guide author didn't know what the CPU Power Thermal Control affects in overclocks. If you know then please share. If I can remember, I'll post bios pics of where I got with 4.5ghz fsb. The vcore wasn't bad (1.476). Temps, on the other hand, hit the limit a little sooner than when I did multiplier. Had more black screens than usual. Another problem is that my fan curves I set in AI Suite would occasionally reset themselves on boot up. Did that with multiplier overclocking too.
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A couple of questions about IBT. What exactly do the 2 circled items mean? Also, when I compare my results for stock and for 3.9ghz, the 3.9ghz is a little slower (according to gflops). Is this normal? It did pass with the same "Results" as stock, but the "Speed" has me curious.
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GFlops Speed means nothing at all. I know of one member who's setup runs real close to mine but he's running stock. IMHO the closer to having your system "balanced" the smoother the GFlops become.
It's more important that they do not vary a great deal. Keep them as constant as possible.
I use them when fine tuning. CPU VDDA can have effect on this, maybe a few others but I don't remember right now.

Time (s) = time to pass one run in seconds worth keeping an eye on as improvements usually lower this.
Results = exactly? I can not answer. I only use them for what they are, like the rest of the program.

It is an old program but it stresses harder than most newer test such as AIDA64, RealBench and OCCT.
It's by no means the final word in stability but works much faster than P95 for the early stages.

In the CHV thread it's been known for a long while that AI Suite can be very buggy. I've always advised it be uninstalled.
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GFlops Speed means nothing at all. I know of one member who's setup runs real close to mine but he's running stock. IMHO the closer to having your system "balanced" the smoother the GFlops become.
It's more important that they do not vary a great deal. Keep them as constant as possible.
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Results = exactly? I can not answer. I only use them for what they are, like the rest of the program.

It is an old program but it stresses harder than most newer test such as AIDA64, RealBench and OCCT.
It's by no means the final word in stability but works much faster than P95 for the early stages.

In the CHV thread it's been known for a long while that AI Suite can be very buggy. I've always advised it be uninstalled.

Was just trying to figure out how to tell if there was any improvements. Also, I'm not ready to cut out AI Suite because I use the software to adjust my fan curve.

I thought I was doing good today, but hit a ton of problems with 4.4ghz during IBT. Problems I didn't even encounter with 1 hour custom 75% Ram in Prime95.
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Was just trying to figure out how to tell if there was any improvements. Also, I'm not ready to cut out AI Suite because I use the software to adjust my fan curve.

I thought I was doing good today, but hit a ton of problems with 4.4ghz during IBT. Problems I didn't even encounter with 1 hour custom 75% Ram in Prime95.

Fan curve? There's only one fan speed here at OCN and that's WIDE OPEN.
At least for stressing lol.
No, I hear ya loud and clear. I never have found any software that works for me, ended up with a PWM fan controller and usually use the manual override and just dial em down low biggrin.gif

For an "Ole School" test I see IBT AVX is still kicking buttkick.gif You're starting to see why I choose to run this before Prime95.
Now maybe you can get somewhere. Take your time and don't rush. Also realize that 4.5GHz on a FX6300 = a 1GHz OC which not every chip can do, let alone easily.

Lastly, if your CPU/NB Freq is only 2000MHz why does it need 1.3v? (I think I have that right) and just for giggles I ran just a few minutes of IBT AVX on my default setup FX6350/M5A99FX Pro R2.0 (server in rig sig) Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
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Fan curve? There's only one fan speed here at OCN and that's WIDE OPEN.
At least for stressing lol.
No, I hear ya loud and clear. I never have found any software that works for me, ended up with a PWM fan controller and usually use the manual override and just dial em down low biggrin.gif

For an "Ole School" test I see IBT AVX is still kicking buttkick.gif You're starting to see why I choose to run this before Prime95.
Now maybe you can get somewhere. Take your time and don't rush. Also realize that 4.5GHz on a FX6300 = a 1GHz OC which not every chip can do, let alone easily.

Lastly, if your CPU/NB Freq is only 2000MHz why does it need 1.3v? (I think I have that right) and just for giggles I ran just a few minutes of IBT AVX on my default setup FX6350/M5A99FX Pro R2.0 (server in rig sig) Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

Actually the cooler I have has a controller built onto it that can be detached and stuck on outside of case. It has auto, manual, and one other mode that I can't remember off hand. Call it lazy, but I don't want to be turning it up and down all the time. Plus, there's the fact that, knowing me, I could possible have it set low while my cpu cooks itself. Wouldn't running the fan @ 100% all the time shorten it's lifespan?

I think my cpu likes to mock me. I had a 10 run IBT pass with 4.4ghz @ 1.476v. I was going to take a snip of it and reboot into bios so that I can take screen shots and see if you could point me to what might need to be changed to lower the vcore. Once I got into bios, I realized that I had forgotten to take a snip. Then I realized that I had forgotten to plug in the darn flash drive. So, I booted back into windows. I got blue screen twice (once was a driver over ran stack error). I got black screen as well. sozo.gif

You had told me that blue screen or freeze indicates cpu needs more core voltage and black screen indicated a need for more CPU/NB voltage. I black screened a lot.

One of two things probably needs to happen. Either I need to take a break for a couple of days or I need to quit altogether. Just one problem.........I can't seem to stop. I don't care if I only get 4.4ghz. I just want to get the highest and most stable that I can. But, other than turning up the multiplier and turning up core voltage, I lack the understanding of which other setting to adjust at which point. I understand it's a balancing act, but I don't even know where the high wire is. (Get it? Fine line?)

I'm not trying to rush. I'm not getting into a hurry. I've spent all my waking hours today on it, with the exception of couple of hours on an android game. My wife says I'm like a dog with a bone. Thing is that the bone is starting to feel bigger than this ole dog.

Update: I finally broke down and decided to A) Use my air cooler's controller and set it manually to full speed. B) Get rid of AI Suite. Only problem is that I need some of the extra programs........so I just uninstalled the Dual Intelligent Processor 4 part of it. I, also, unchecked the start up at boot option.
Edited by Andromydous - 8/9/16 at 5:17am
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