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BenQ is a pretty good quality brand. Considering they've always invested heavily in the gaming segment, if they don't have a model analogous to the PG279Q out, it's because it either doesn't make sense financially or they don't want to deal with the QC issues.

This monitor could also be just a excuse to get out a monitor with zowie branding. Zowie and generally the benq gaming monitors in general generally have always targeted hardcore fps gamers - no need for IPS and the increased ghosting of it would lead to worse quality with strobingwhich is likely what the DynAc is.
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Maybe its the case as far as 144hz IPS monitors, but still, the 2735 so far doesnt look like it justifies having a new model. The actual changes are barely existent from what I can see so far. But I will wait for actual reviews for my final impressions of it.

Again, whats disappointing is that they didnt include overclocking to 165Hz and didnt minimize the bezel, compared to Dell f. e., the BenQ does look quite bulky with its bezel. PLus the video is highly misleading imo judging by what I see on my 2730.

At least I hope theyve improved the AG coating, since I think its the biggest downside of the 2730 so far.
Maybe they improved response times further (without resorting to as much overvoltage, overshoot present in the video notwithstanding.

Improving the coating, like you said, would also be a step in the right direction.
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This monitor could also be just a excuse to get out a monitor with zowie branding. Zowie and generally the benq gaming monitors in general generally have always targeted hardcore fps gamers - no need for IPS and the increased ghosting of it would lead to worse quality with strobingwhich is likely what the DynAc is.
Probably.
    
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I think people are missing the point that this may be the first monitor to strobe the backlight at higher than 120 Hz refresh. If it's 144 Hz strobing and can maintain good brightness, it would be quite the success. I'll be buying one just to try out with Battlefield 1.

BenQ makes good products too. They tweeted September release date.
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I think people are missing the point that this may be the first monitor to strobe the backlight at higher than 120 Hz refresh. If it's 144 Hz strobing and can maintain good brightness, it would be quite the success. I'll be buying one just to try out with Battlefield 1.

BenQ makes good products too. They tweeted September release date.

The XL2730Z and I believe several other BenQ models support strobing at up to 144 Hz, as does the Eizo Foris FS2735.
 
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The XL2730Z and I believe several other BenQ models support strobing at up to 144 Hz, as does the Eizo Foris FS2735.

I had a XL2730Z but don't remember 144 Hz strobing. My memory is quite bad though. I am just curious what they have done to the strobing on the 2735Z to supposedly make it much better...

The Foris FS2735 looks quite interesting as a IPS 1440P model that can strobe at 144 Hz. I may have to look into it.
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I had a XL2730Z but don't remember 144 Hz strobing. My memory is quite bad though. I am just curious what they have done to the strobing on the 2735Z to supposedly make it much better...

The Foris FS2735 looks quite interesting as a IPS 1440P model that can strobe at 144 Hz. I may have to look into it.

It does have blur reduction at 144hz but there was just way too much crosstalk, no different from blur reduction at 120hz. Maybe the 2735Z improves on this?
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Betting it'll be a cruddy TN, with a gamer gear tax rolleyes.gif

You say this like if good TNs aren't able to match the best Gaming IPS panels regarding image quality minus the viewing angles and the plague of issues like IPS glow and backlight bleed.
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I had a XL2730Z but don't remember 144 Hz strobing. My memory is quite bad though. I am just curious what they have done to the strobing on the 2735Z to supposedly make it much better...

The Foris FS2735 looks quite interesting as a IPS 1440P model that can strobe at 144 Hz. I may have to look into it.

I upgraded from an Acer XF270HU to the BenQ XL2730Z I'm using now and it does have 144Hz strobing.
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You say this like if good TNs aren't able to match the best Gaming IPS panels regarding image quality minus the viewing angles and the plague of issues like IPS glow and backlight bleed.
I upgraded from an Acer XF270HU to the BenQ XL2730Z I'm using now and it does have 144Hz strobing.

That's because they can't match the best gaming IPS panels in image quality. They always fall short on contrast values usually 800-900:1 vs the IPS that get 1100:1 or higher. They also tend to have thicker AG coatings which isn't a fault of TN but that too degrades picture quality. Lastly, even if the TN can cover the same 100% sRGB color space as picked up by the colorimeter it doesn't matter because your eyes aren't a colorimeter. You're viewing the entire panel and as slight as it may be there is already a degradation of accuracy because of the viewing angles shifts. This problem becomes more apparent the larger the monitor is.

Now that may seem nit picky, but they're just facts. TNs still have a place in this world as they're the fastest LCDs around and don't suffer from IPS glow, but they sacrifice overall image quality to achieve that. The day OLED gaming monitors become a thing is the day TN days, hell all LCDs die that day tongue.gif
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That's because they can't match the best gaming IPS panels in image quality. They always fall short on contrast values usually 800-900:1 vs the IPS that get 1100:1 or higher. They also tend to have thicker AG coatings which isn't a fault of TN but that too degrades picture quality. Lastly, even if the TN can cover the same 100% sRGB color space as picked up by the colorimeter it doesn't matter because your eyes aren't a colorimeter. You're viewing the entire panel and as slight as it may be there is already a degradation of accuracy because of the viewing angles shifts. This problem becomes more apparent the larger the monitor is.

Now that may seem nit picky, but they're just facts. TNs still have a place in this world as they're the fastest LCDs around and don't suffer from IPS glow, but they sacrifice overall image quality to achieve that. The day OLED gaming monitors become a thing is the day TN days, hell all LCDs die that day tongue.gif

Colorimeters are like eyes, but precise and without placebo effects.

The BenQ XL2730Z have good viewing angles compared to other TNs from side to side, upper and bottom angles are bad though.

You could be watching the screen directly putting your front on the right or left bezel and there would be little to no gamma shift at all, can't say the same from top and bottom bezel but I don't think anyone is going to ever view their monitors like that.

Besides this is LCD were talking about, 900 contrast vs 1050 or so makes little to no difference, not like 400,000:1 to infinite from OLED.

I had an IPS XF270HU which uses the same panel than the XB270HU and despite having the best viewing angles it made me realize how much better things are when pixel response times are actually fast enough to considerably reduce blur, making the screen more clear when in motion with little to no overshoot, that for me blows away that 150:1 contrast difference any day.

But that's just me, can't wait for OLED HDR 4K 21:9 165Hz Freesync/Gsync thumb.gif
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That's because they can't match the best gaming IPS panels in image quality. They always fall short on contrast values usually 800-900:1 vs the IPS that get 1100:1 or higher. They also tend to have thicker AG coatings which isn't a fault of TN but that too degrades picture quality. Lastly, even if the TN can cover the same 100% sRGB color space as picked up by the colorimeter it doesn't matter because your eyes aren't a colorimeter. You're viewing the entire panel and as slight as it may be there is already a degradation of accuracy because of the viewing angles shifts. This problem becomes more apparent the larger the monitor is.

Now that may seem nit picky, but they're just facts. TNs still have a place in this world as they're the fastest LCDs around and don't suffer from IPS glow, but they sacrifice overall image quality to achieve that. The day OLED gaming monitors become a thing is the day TN days, hell all LCDs die that day tongue.gif

Colorimeters are like eyes, but precise and without placebo effects.

The BenQ XL2730Z have good viewing angles compared to other TNs from side to side, upper and bottom angles are bad though.

You could be watching the screen directly putting your front on the right or left bezel and there would be little to no gamma shift at all, can't say the same from top and bottom bezel but I don't think anyone is going to ever view their monitors like that.

Besides this is LCD were talking about, 900 contrast vs 1050 or so makes little to no difference, not like 400,000:1 to infinite from OLED.

I had an IPS XF270HU which uses the same panel than the XB270HU and despite having the best viewing angles it made me realize how much better things are when pixel response times are actually fast enough to considerably reduce blur, making the screen more clear when in motion with little to no overshoot, that for me blows away that 150:1 contrast difference any day.

But that's just me, can't wait for OLED HDR 4K 21:9 165Hz Freesync/Gsync thumb.gif
He's not wrong, you know? People complain about IPS glow, but the fact is that TN has "IPS glow" for all colors, basically. It's hard to say no to IPS for bright content. At the same time, it's hard to say no to TN motion clarity at 144 Hz, as well. It's pointless, as it has ever been, to say which of the LCD panel types is the best, as there isn't one.

Let us relish the fact that they're marketing HDR VA TV's much more aggressively than HDR OLED, as that will, indubitably, bring down the price of the better technology, as it happened with plasma a decade ago.
    
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