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post #71 of 121
Now this is why I don't like Intel.
Being top dog and still..this crap.....Shame on Intel..that's is like pocket money to them.
They should be made to pay up by the government or so. If you do something like not paying a fine to the court it gets
a hefty interest or they just take it from your income.

NOT COOL INTEL...mad.gif
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Originally Posted by Levys View Post

Now this is why I don't like Intel.
Being top dog and still..this crap.....Shame on Intel..that's is like pocket money to them.
They should be made to pay up by the government or so. If you do something like not paying a fine to the court it gets
a hefty interest or they just take it from your income.

NOT COOL INTEL...mad.gif

That is a bit laughable.

Any company, ANY company, will try to delay such a big payment with appeals and any legal way possible, for as long as possible.
This has nothing to do with them being intel. A company need to pay a 10,000$ fine will delay its payment as much as they can, even if they are making 10000000000000000$ a day.

This is corporate practice to its fullest. This is how almost every company acts regardless of size and payment.

You must not like apple for they have never really admitted about their exploiting batteries and poor work ethics.
You must not like samsung for "copying" apple.
You must not like AMD for promising us that bulldozer will be a great CPU and... we all know how that ended.
You must not like Nvidia for not giving away AMD all of their source code for gameworks.
You must not like microsoft for their extremely shabby windows 10 upgrades.
You must not like asus, gigabyte, xfx, evga, etc etc for selling their AIB cards for extra money.
You must not like the cloths you are wearing because most likely they were made by children in the far east.
You must not like your glasses because they are being made by almost exclusively by one huge monopoly which controls over 90% of the glasses market.
I guess there is not a single company in the world you like right?

etc etc etc etc etc.

Its time to wake up.

BTW, 1.2B$ is so not pocket money for them. Their profit for 2015 was 14b$ and they gave 4.4B$ in dividends. So 10% less income, means paying investors and share holders a hell of a lot less money (almost 27% less), which is a huge deal for intel. This is not spare change. Stop making stuff up.
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There is two separate ones.

There is one in the USA
And one in the EU

The EU one was brought on by complaints from AMD, while the US one was a direct lawsuit by AMD. The EU payout goes to the EU, while the US one goes to AMD.

I agree with this and it's paraphrasing what i already stated.

The 1.25 billion dollars lawsuit has already been settled and paid out. This is the US lawsuit. This article isn't specifically talking about this in that 1.2 billion dollar figure. The PCPER article even states this.

This article is taking about the EU 1.06 billion euro antitrust fine, which is equivalent to 1.2 billion dollars today. But the author confused this fine for lawsuit damages.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-06-21/intel-fights-record-1-2-billion-antitrust-fine-at-top-eu-court

I repeat.

The PCper author just got it wrong to get hits or is just ignorant of how EU antitrust fines work.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/14/business/global/14compete.html

"Money collected in antitrust cases is added to the trade bloc's annual budget of about 130 billion euros."

Stop being ignorant people. This money is not going to AMD directly no matter how much you love AMD.
Edited by tajoh111 - 6/23/16 at 5:01am
post #74 of 121
So much for all the people saying AMD just sucks and using this as part of their justification, that AMD somehow burned through all their money and the money Intel gave them. Guess they never actually received that to burn through. Which means Intel hurt AMD really bad back then, and has continued to hurt them in the decade since. If this money had been paid in 2009, that means AMD wouldn't have had to sell of its fab's in 2009. Which means that possibly the entire Bulldozer fiasco could have been avoided since half the problem came from the extremely bad process node GF couldn't nail down.Really there should be another court case over this, since this is an entirely extra level of hurting AMD unethically in business, with the sum the loss of revenue for the past years since 2009 and interest on the money AMD was supposed to receive 7 years ago.
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10% (annually or monthly that would be up to a judge biggrin.gif ) Interest should be added to the balance until Intel starts paying (depending on which route they go its neither an additional 1billion dollar a year or in 10 years)
Edited by clao - 6/23/16 at 6:36am
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So much for all the people saying AMD just sucks and using this as part of their justification, that AMD somehow burned through all their money and the money Intel gave them. Guess they never actually received that to burn through. Which means Intel hurt AMD really bad back then, and has continued to hurt them in the decade since. If this money had been paid in 2009, that means AMD wouldn't have had to sell of its fab's in 2009. Which means that possibly the entire Bulldozer fiasco could have been avoided since half the problem came from the extremely bad process node GF couldn't nail down.Really there should be another court case over this, since this is an entirely extra level of hurting AMD unethically in business, with the sum the loss of revenue for the past years since 2009 and interest on the money AMD was supposed to receive 7 years ago.
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post #77 of 121
7 years ago Intel was told to pay and they are delaying so much? I am quite surprised by this news, since i though they paid already.

Courts definitely should add extra fines in cases like this. % increase over long time and blocking products if need be, like that China situation with Apple phones recently.
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post #78 of 121
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Pay no attention to the billions of dollars owed or the illegal tactics used to block them out, those are the real reasons AMD is in a bad way.

Not, that I entirely disagree but:
Moarcores was consequent to the Buldozer uarch. The dual Athlons were pretty good.
The latter (two) are more of a Radeon thing but even then...Nvidia and Intel have screwed better (during that time-frame), yet there are no such implications to for them.

EDIT:
As to the topic, I think this is European Commission vs Intel, so AMD gets nothing.

EDIT-EDIT:
Although, this investigation has started as a consequence of complaint from AMD, so...idk, really.
Quote:
The Commission’s investigation followed complaints from AMD in 2000, 2003 and 2006 (the last having been sent to the German competition authority and subsequently examined by the European Commission).
http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_IP-09-745_en.htm
Edited by C2H5OH - 6/23/16 at 7:35am
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So much for all the people saying AMD just sucks and using this as part of their justification, that AMD somehow burned through all their money and the money Intel gave them. Guess they never actually received that to burn through. Which means Intel hurt AMD really bad back then, and has continued to hurt them in the decade since. If this money had been paid in 2009, that means AMD wouldn't have had to sell of its fab's in 2009. Which means that possibly the entire Bulldozer fiasco could have been avoided since half the problem came from the extremely bad process node GF couldn't nail down.Really there should be another court case over this, since this is an entirely extra level of hurting AMD unethically in business, with the sum the loss of revenue for the past years since 2009 and interest on the money AMD was supposed to receive 7 years ago.

AMD already received this money.

http://quarterlyearnings.amd.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=74093&p=irol-newsArticle&ID=1377777&highlight=


This is from AMD's official website.

"In the fourth quarter of 2009, AMD reported net income attributable to AMD common stockholders of $1.178 billion, or $1.52 per share, which includes a net favorable impact of $1.238 billion, or $1.57 per share. AMD reported operating income of $1.288 billion in the quarter, including a net favorable impact of $1.224 billion. The net favorable impacts were primarily from a legal settlement with Intel Corp."

Most of this money went to creditors right away, which is why this amount should have been bigger. Although it help AMD get some of the creditors off it's back, it didn't do much to reverse the brain drain damage it had done. The Intel settlement with the US should have been twice as big atleast. But AMD was too interested in getting rid of it's foundry which was one of the reasons, it had such debt. The foundry was giving them losses in the hundreds of millions annually because of the upkeep and the R and D. However, a previous clause made it that to keep the x86 licence, AMD had to produce 80-90+% of its product themselves. This basically guaranteed losses every quarter, unless they doubled or tripled their marketshare. Hence, why AMD sold it. For AMD to properly fund a fabrication and their own R and D for the rest of the company, AMD would need a settlement 5 billion plus. Foundries are notoriously expensive facilities to update.
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Pay no attention to the billions of dollars owed or the illegal tactics used to block them out, those are the real reasons AMD is in a bad way.

AMD already got the 1.25 billion dollars from Intel as shown in the 4th quarter earnings of 2009.

This is best reflected in their 1st quarter earnings for 2010.
http://quarterlyearnings.amd.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=74093&p=irol-newsArticle&ID=1413673&highlight=

AMD long term liability went from 4.2 billion down to 2.65 billion in a quarter.


However, Intel has not paid the 1.06 billion euro fine that is owed to the european union as an antitrust fine. These antitrust fine believe it is the consumers who are hurt by these type of issues, which is the EU justifification for ceasing the money and spending it on their own matters. I already posted in my earlier post for this specific settlement, which is proof of what was going to happen to this EU fine money. Plus if you know how, EU antitrust fines work, you would know this.

AMD isn't getting any of this fine, so this 1.06 billion euro was never going to help them.
Edited by tajoh111 - 6/23/16 at 12:28pm
post #80 of 121
AMD havent recieved a single dime out of this and will never even if Intel wins if I remember right.

Its just a formal punishment to give them a warning that "we are watching you".

Intel probably made a TON more money out of these sneaky deals under the table anyway, so paying the money if they lose wont mean a thing to them most likely. After all, they grew so big because they got more sales and a ton of money to dump towards a massive engineer force to make better CPUs than AMD.

The money is rightfully AMDs. They need it more than anyone
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