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Yep! And I believe AMD have more in store for us, no way they are abandoning the Fury line smile.gif

That will come with Vega. Hopefully their architecture will maintain the fps/$ that Polaris has begun to introduce. I'd rather see a RX 490 / RX FURY still pumping out a great value than seeing them trying to produce a super power hungry card to compete with Nvidia.

A card with HBM2 that performs ±20% of Nvidia's Pascal Titan / 1080ti, all while consuming less wattage. On top of that, at a cost that just makes the Nvidia such an outlier, that Nvidia will have to respond. The "high end" cards costs are just getting completely absurd.

That's what I want to see. Total domination by AMD. Taking back market share and being relevant again.
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While that is true, we have to consider other points as well:
When 970 came out, 1080p was the standard resolution, 1440p and 4K are now settling in.
Also, 2x470 theoretically have a lot more processing power than a single 970, so 3.5/4Gb would not be enough.
And finally, when tuning up game settings, people generally like to leave the biggest memory hogs on - that's AA and textures. So everyone will want to play on native res with max textures, and most people will want to have some form of AA on, while other settings may be lowered. This raises the bar even further and 8Gb doesn't seem so unreasonably high anymore, especially when we take under account future games.
In realistic gaming scenarios, when CrossFire is involved, 2x8Gb will always be the more futureproof solution than 2x4Gb.

Also worth noting that the cores of 480 and 470 are not very different, and after OC will perform very close to each other (speculation). So anyone who wants dual GPU setup, should go for the cheaper and more future-proof solution of 2x8Gb 470's. 2cents.gif

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For dual-card setups, of course, have you not been paying attention? smile.gif

Specifically said crossfire after quoting you telling someone else you were talking about crossfire.

And no. Lol I would reccomend, along with the majority of this forum, that you buy a single 480 before you buy 2 470s

Also curious how you think 470s are more future proof than 480s.....
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Specifically said crossfire after quoting you telling someone else you were talking about crossfire.

And no. Lol I would reccomend, along with the majority of this forum, that you buy a single 480 before you buy 2 470s

Also curious how you think 470s are more future proof than 480s.....

I'm not saying "470s are more future proof than 480s". I'm saying 8Gb 470s are more future proof than 4Gb 480s, because:
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people generally like to leave the biggest memory hogs on

And of course I would recommend a single 480 8Gb instead of 2x470 8Gb, for the resale value and better CF options, if nothing else.

But if the choice is between 2x480x4Gb for 460$ vs 2x470x8Gb for 340$, the latter will cost less and perform better in the long run.
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I'm not saying "470s are more future proof than 480s". I'm saying 8Gb 470s are more future proof than 4Gb 480s, because:

And of course I would recommend a single 480 8Gb instead of 2x470 8Gb, for the resale value and better CF options, if nothing else.

But if the choice is between 2x480x4Gb for 460$ vs 2x470x8Gb for 340$, the latter will cost less and perform better in the long run.
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While that is true, we have to consider other points as well:
When 970 came out, 1080p was the standard resolution, 1440p and 4K are now settling in.
Also, 2x470 theoretically have a lot more processing power than a single 970, so 3.5/4Gb would not be enough.
And finally, when tuning up game settings, people generally like to leave the biggest memory hogs on - that's AA and textures. So everyone will want to play on native res with max textures, and most people will want to have some form of AA on, while other settings may be lowered. This raises the bar even further and 8Gb doesn't seem so unreasonably high anymore, especially when we take under account future games.
In realistic gaming scenarios, when CrossFire is involved, 2x8Gb will always be the more futureproof solution than 2x4Gb.

Also worth noting that the cores of 480 and 470 are not very different, and after OC will perform very close to each other (speculation). So anyone who wants dual GPU setup, should go for the cheaper and more future-proof solution of 2x8Gb 470's. 2cents.gif

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For dual-card setups, of course, have you not been paying attention? smile.gif

Specifically said crossfire after quoting you telling someone else you were talking about crossfire.

And no. Lol you only buy crossfire 470's if you don't want to have the superior products.

I also said if you planned to cfx you should get 8gb. I really think you're overestimating tho, I think the Rx470 in crossfire will run out of power before it runs out of vram at high res. You're going to be struggling to get 60fps much less "turn on the memory hogs" at 4k. You mentioned TW3 at 4k earlier, let's look at the gtx 1070 benchmarks, since 470s in cfx score around the same as a 1070.

https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_1070/20.html

Gtx 1070 gets 35.2 fps in TW3 at 4k.

While I stand by my statement that 4Gb 480s in cfx > 8gb 470s in cfx, that doesn't mean I would recommend 480 4Gb in cfx.

The only way I can see getting 470s in cfx would be if you bought one now, then later decided to pick up another, or, just for funzies, with realistic expectations.


Edit :Think it saved a draft over what I was typing, idk, I'm on mobile atm, not gonna go through and edit
Edited by tkenietz - 6/24/16 at 9:53am
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Specifically said crossfire after quoting you telling someone else you were talking about crossfire.

And no. Lol you only buy crossfire 470's if you don't want to have the superior products.

I also said if you planned to cfx you should get 8gb. I really think you're overestimating tho, I think the Rx470 in crossfire will run out of power before it runs out of vram at high res. You're going to be struggling to get 60fps much less "turn on the memory hogs" at 4k. You mentioned TW3 at 4k earlier, let's look at the gtx 1070 benchmarks, since 470s in cfx score around the same as a 1070.

https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_1070/20.html

Gtx 1070 gets 35.2 fps in TW3 at 4k.

While I stand by my statement that 4Gb 480s in cfx > 8gb 470s in cfx, that doesn't mean I would recommend 480 4Gb in cfx.

The only way I can see getting 470s in cfx would be if you bought one now, then later decided to pick up another, or, just for funzies, with realistic expectations.

Hm, yes, you have a point. Probably 2x480x4Gb is better after all.
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I keep trying to go to NVidia for a new GPU solution but AMD is making it so hard to switch over.
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Saw this .....Nvidea shill campaign.... posted on another site today.  Ten years old but just as relevant today...cough... Chevy... cough..:

 

https://consumerist.com/2006/02/06/nvidias-perez-they-act-as-our-voice/

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My biggest worries are retailers. Retailers bought their 970s at a price expecting them to sell close to the asking price of the time, stock on any old cards being drastically reduced to make sense against the 470/480 MSRP would cut into their bottom line quite a bit. I'd wager we'll see a modest price drop on existing cards stock around this price point but also expect retailers to take advantage of low costs from AMD and the performance these cards bring to hike the price quite a bit.

I'm praying retailers will play fair and price close to MSRP but I highly doubt it. We all know how the price of the 200 series skyrocketed because there was demand for it. I mean, sure that was cause of mining, but these cards bring some serious performance at a low price, if retailers think they can get away with making extra cash, they will likely try. Fingers crossed.
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They can try but all it takes is a shop comparison site and find that one or two shops that at the moment don't rip people off. Of course dumbos will go to the nearest most expensive shop and get ripped off doesn't matter hardware they are buying.

Shops that keep track of HW were emptying their stock month or more in advance. Selling stock out and not ordering more, putting things up as "available on order only". Plus there were other releases that forced them to ditch stock, they shouldn't really have any left nowadays beside some minimum amount of stuff they can still sell.
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