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But doesn't the exact same thing happen if you resell a console game? I guess you could argue the physical disc degrades a bit, but that's largely inconsequential. And devs don't seem to have an issue with console games being resold, so why are digital keys any different?
If I knew in advance when those games would hit the bargain bin and how much of a bargain I'd be getting, yeah I probably wouldn't mind waiting as long as it was something reasonable (ie NOT 2 years+). But not all games get to the bargain bin, and sometimes the "bargain" is downright laughable (15% off for a 2 year old game, hello are you nuts?).

Indie devs don't generally have this problem because they don't overprice their games to begin with, plus I happen to like a lot of the stuff they put out, so for those two reasons I'm a lot more inclined to pay full price for indie games.

 

 

LULZ^

 

How many games do you buy keys for a year..?  And... You're such a bargain shopper & you just can't help yourself.. right?


Edited by formula m - 6/24/16 at 9:53pm
post #132 of 260
What are you on about again?
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So no answer...?  

post #134 of 260
I don't keep track of how many games I buy in a year, but if I had to guess, probably between 10-20.
post #135 of 260
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Originally Posted by epic1337 View Post

reselling doesn't help the company because the one who resold it isn't the company.
how do you expect the company to get profit off someone selling 2nd hand goods? is there a tax or percentage off that sales?
e.g. if i resold my processor will intel earn more money? not only did intel not earn money, they lost another customer from buying a brandnew processor.

1. People who resell on G2A or eBay buy the games first, so the game company gets paid for every sale. Even if they got the game key with a video card, the game company still gets paid through the deal they made with the video card company.
If the resellers had no intention of reselling those games they would not have bought them and we can only speculate whether the game buyers would be willing to pay a higher price to get the games from a first party store.

2. You cannot resell a used game like you can resell a used processor, it doesn't work that way. Typically a game key can only be activated once, on a specific user account, and then it won't work on another.
(Obviously it's a different story for some old console games or whatever games that are tied to a physical object, but that's off-topic here when we're talking about G2A and such.)
post #136 of 260
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Been seeing a lot of people go to bat for G2A on this forum recently, which I find kind of absurd. The community here has always held some esteem for me and to see people here defending a shady company that facilitates theft and scamming simply because they like to buy cheap games is no bueno. G2A and other sites like it need to disappear overnight, it's hurting legitimate resalers and devs alike and that ultimately poisons the well and hurts you as gamers in the long run. You're killing the companies you rely on to provide you with quality entertainment every time you buy from G2A and similar sites.

I won't be arguing with anyone in this thread about this topic. There is nothing to argue about. This is just fact. and facts aren't to be debated, they're to be understood.

There are arguments to be made. No these are not facts. No not every one lives with a totalitarian mind.wink.gif

Devs will get full price once they begin allowing game re-selling. If I wanted to rent I would pay $5 max, they are lucky they are even getting half of full retail with the current model. Until then, G2A seems like karma in full effect.thumb.gif
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This also CLEARLY communicates that game prices are CRAZY HIGH! Even among high-end PC users, purchasing all wanted games @ retail price is not an option due to financial contraints. That forces people to either PIRATE the games they want OR buy them from G2A. Either way, the developer and publisher lose. Their ONLY way to win is to reduce game prices by at least 33%.
post #138 of 260
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Originally Posted by early View Post

1. People who resell on G2A or eBay buy the games first, so the game company gets paid for every sale. Even if they got the game key with a video card, the game company still gets paid through the deal they made with the video card company.
If the resellers had no intention of reselling those games they would not have bought them and we can only speculate whether the game buyers would be willing to pay a higher price to get the games from a first party store.

2. You cannot resell a used game like you can resell a used processor, it doesn't work that way. Typically a game key can only be activated once, on a specific user account, and then it won't work on another.
(Obviously it's a different story for some old console games or whatever games that are tied to a physical object, but that's off-topic here when we're talking about G2A and such.)

Yes and No. When NVidia / AMD supplies a game with their GPU sale, their sales go up, even though they did purchase the game, but probably with a lower discount. When the game key is purchased without the GPU sale, NVidia / AMD, it is being Re-Sold with no benefit to NVidia ./ AMD. Thing is... Its not NVidia / AMD who's complaining...
post #139 of 260
When a video card with a game key is purchased and the key is activated, the game company gets paid*, and that's the bottom line. What happens in between (whether the key is resold on G2A or whatever) is pretty much irrelevant.
So I'm a bit confused as to what you're disagreeing with.


*It's also possible that the game company hands out those games for free, but very unlikely. Most probably they sell them at a lower price or they negotiate some other deal between them.
Edited by early - 6/25/16 at 3:53am
post #140 of 260
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1. People who resell on G2A or eBay buy the games first, so the game company gets paid for every sale. Even if they got the game key with a video card, the game company still gets paid through the deal they made with the video card company.
If the resellers had no intention of reselling those games they would not have bought them and we can only speculate whether the game buyers would be willing to pay a higher price to get the games from a first party store.
Not always true which is the big issue here.
A certain amount of those keys get bought with stolen credit cards. The developer gets the money till the point where the chargebacks happen. Then the developer loses the money yet G2A sellers still have the keys which they sell to other people.
Now people have games, yet the developer has no money.
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