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Originally Posted by InvaderMig View Post

So people use stolen credit cards to buy from Origin and Ubisoft, then sell them on G2A and Kinguin. That's the first time I've ever heard of anyone using stole credit cards to buy anything from anywhere, be it a shady company like G2A or a reputable retailer. I mean stuff like that never happens on Ebay, or Craigslist, or even Amazon for that matter. Nope, never happens. rolleyes.gif

I've also read another story where a Dev got scammed out of free keys for responding to fake emails posing as popular youtubers and those very same keys went up on G2A. But you're right though, all the culpability falls on squarely on G2A's shoulders. The fact that this particular dev falsely inflated the revenue lost, and refused to work with G2A to rectify the issue doesn't change a thing. That information is completely irrelevant to this particular case. I'm glad you were here to clear that up for me and everyone else who will clearly now find this information completely irrelevant. thumb.gif

G2A is assuming all their sellers are "innocent until proven guilty". This invites the sellers who used fraud to get the keys. Just by looking at the prices on brand new games, you can tell theres a large amount going on. The guys selling the keys are obviously not doing enough to stop it, but that doesn't change the fact that G2A is selling a lot of keys that the devs never saw money for.

Who you blame the most for the keys being stolen is up to you. Yes, tinydev used the classic "game pirate math" where they take the highest msrp and use that for every game sale to calculate loss.

Whatever stupid things tinydev has done to get their game stolen so much doesn't change the fact that G2A is being used as a place to turn the temporary money from stolen cards (it gets charged back when owner realizes) in to real money when people buy the keys.
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"Go to a bundle/3rd party key reseller and buy a ton of game keys"

Working as intended.

edit: "Get ahold of a database of stolen credit cards on the darkweb"

Lol, people still use credit card in this day and age. I have a hard time blaming G2A for people buying keys via scams. But yeah I guess if you want to offer the option for people to pay via credit card, we'll start seeing rather large fees to insure against this risk. (edit: wait a minute, can't they just disable keys when chargeback occurs? I think that should always be part of it, to get those people blacklisted from G2A due to selling broken keys. G2A would obviously care if users en masse were getting their money back from G2A due to broken keys. How anyone loses money but G2A here is beyond me. No money lost for the user, no game for the user, money lost for G2A, money gained for scammer.)
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Originally Posted by InvaderMig View Post

Not only is it people exploiting the system, this particular dev pulled that 450k number out of his backside, and did not cooperate to with G2A to help rectify the situation. But don't tell that to he guy above me. Apparently none of those facts are relevant, because G2A is a the devil, and all devs are the shining light of goodness. wink.gif
Seriously? Cooperate with G2A?
Those keys shouldn't even be there in the first place.

I can't believe people are defending a company that has been doing this stuff for years.
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ALRIGHT LADIES AND GENTS! LETS BRING THIS TO A REFERENDUM! VOTES TO LEAVE AND STAY AT OCN BECAUSE OF G2A! GO!



(Just a joke in light of recent events.)
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Didn't G2A ask for tinybuild to provide keys that they believe were stolen and tinybuild has yet to reply?
First of all good luck find those keys without revoking legitimate keys. Second if they were to revoke those keys they would would be hurting the ones that bought those keys from g(arbage)2a not the one who stole those keys and resold them.
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My first g2a experience with a merchant was with a fraudulent game code. Took a month and 1/2 to sort it out and only by doing a charge back via paypal. They kept going back and forth with 'waiting for seller to respond' and giving them like 5 days etc etc ...

this was for call of duty black ops 2 - worst thing is I then tried to purchase from ebay (another scam and then a 'somewhat' legit site in the UK and was another non existant key.)

Finally I was fed up and bought the game and paid what 10-15 more pounds via a 'normal means'

- to note - I have bought a couple other games from g2a since then but only with them directly - will def not buy from a merchant again.
    
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You would think that if this was such an issue, they would have some system in place to enable developers to disable stolen keys...

Invest in loss prevention like every other retailer...
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They are not the sellers it seems, so who ever has an issue has to take it up with the seller/reseller who ever and not the website where this seller posted his listing. It's like blaming eBay for being scammed by a seller, it's not eBay's fault it's the seller's fault.

How can a developer say they received no payment for keys? Why did they activate those keys if they were not paid for? Duh? If they somehow manage to sell them get the money for it and then get charged back somehow and the transaction reverses? Oh well then deactivate the keys no?
The devs must be pretty stupid if they are handing out free keys and then complain they didn't get paid for them.
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The first rule of making money to convince people you're not making money.
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Has tinybuild provided evidence of stolen keys? If not, there's nothing to discuss.

I'll continue to use G2A as their deals routinely beat out 'official' sales on Steam.
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