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Honestly didn't read through this thread, but buying such a low overclock is insane. I think you would be hard pressed to find an out of the box 6800K that couldn't do 4.4Ghz. No offense to siliconlottery, but I find their service basically to be a scam. They don't offer extremely high overclocks at extremely low voltages, they offer extremely modest overclocks at average or higher than average voltages.

You obviously haven't had any experience with Broadwell. Whether it's Broadwell-E 6800/6850/6900/6950X or the smaller Broadwell-S i7 5775C etc.. it's pretty much capped at 4.4ghz as the max. In ALL the CPUs that silicon lottery tested of the 5675C and 5775C he didn't find a SINGLE one that could hit 4.5ghz, and the vast majority couldn't hit 4.4. On Broadwell-E most chips are limited to 4.3ghz or less at safe voltages. If you look at reviews, basically every reviewer had to pump like 1.45v or 1.5v to hit 4.4ghz and many couldn't hit over 4.2-4.3 regardless of voltage! So getting a 6800K that is guaranteed to hit 4.4ghz at 1.344v or less on a small 240mm AIO cooler is definitely worth it, as on a nice custom water loop you could easily hit 4.5ghz whereas out of the box you're likely to not get anything higher than 4.3ghz without risking destroying the chip.

You seem to not have a lot of experience with modern CPUs in general honestly. If you seriously think the overclocks offered by siliconlottery are "extremely modest" you don't know what you're talking about, no offense. And the voltages are a placeholder, the majority of the chips hit that overclock at below the stated voltage, they simply use the same placeholder for the entire "bin" and are using a small AIO as i said. So in the case of say an i7 5820K they would say "4.6ghz @ 1.312v or lower" and if you get the chip and put it on a custom water loop you could easily hit 4.6ghz at ~1.275v or so most likely; or conversely could push 4.7ghz at ~1.35v and maybe even hit 4.8ghz at below 1.4v if you're lucky.

Take for example the 6600K for example, less than TWO PERCENT hit 4.9ghz or more, but they offer 4.9ghz ones and even 5.0ghz ones. Far from a scam, it's a way for people who WANT a guaranteed overclock without risking the "lottery". You usually don't pay much over retail either. For example, roughly 19% of Broadwell-E hits 4.4ghz or higher from testing so far, he charged me $469 for the 6800K at 4.4ghz 1.344v or lower chip, with my loop i could probably get it to that 4.4ghz at less than that for sure, probably ~1.3v; but i'd only have a 19% chance of hitting that speed if i paid $439 from Newegg or Amazon for one. So i paid a measly $30 and i got a guranteed 4.4ghz and possibly 4.5ghz at safe voltage.


Again, no offense, but you just sound like you don't know much about modern CPUs, at least Broadwell anyway.

Another thing to consider is that Broadwell-E has a decent IPC increase over Haswell-E, meaning that a 4.4ghz 6800K is actually equal to a 5820K at a whopping 4.75ghz or so on average!
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You obviously haven't had any experience with Broadwell. Whether it's Broadwell-E 6800/6850/6900/6950X or the smaller Broadwell-S i7 5775C etc.. it's pretty much capped at 4.4ghz as the max. In ALL the CPUs that silicon lottery tested of the 5675C and 5775C he didn't find a SINGLE one that could hit 4.5ghz, and the vast majority couldn't hit 4.4. On Broadwell-E most chips are limited to 4.3ghz or less at safe voltages. If you look at reviews, basically every reviewer had to pump like 1.45v or 1.5v to hit 4.4ghz and many couldn't hit over 4.2-4.3 regardless of voltage! So getting a 6800K that is guaranteed to hit 4.4ghz at 1.344v or less on a small 240mm AIO cooler is definitely worth it, as on a nice custom water loop you could easily hit 4.5ghz whereas out of the box you're likely to not get anything higher than 4.3ghz without risking destroying the chip.

You seem to not have a lot of experience with modern CPUs in general honestly. If you seriously think the overclocks offered by siliconlottery are "extremely modest" you don't know what you're talking about, no offense. And the voltages are a placeholder, the majority of the chips hit that overclock at below the stated voltage, they simply use the same placeholder for the entire "bin" and are using a small AIO as i said. So in the case of say an i7 5820K they would say "4.6ghz @ 1.312v or lower" and if you get the chip and put it on a custom water loop you could easily hit 4.6ghz at ~1.275v or so most likely; or conversely could push 4.7ghz at ~1.35v and maybe even hit 4.8ghz at below 1.4v if you're lucky.

Take for example the 6600K for example, less than TWO PERCENT hit 4.9ghz or more, but they offer 4.9ghz ones and even 5.0ghz ones. Far from a scam, it's a way for people who WANT a guaranteed overclock without risking the "lottery". You usually don't pay much over retail either. For example, roughly 19% of Broadwell-E hits 4.4ghz or higher from testing so far, he charged me $469 for the 6800K at 4.4ghz 1.344v or lower chip, with my loop i could probably get it to that 4.4ghz at less than that for sure, probably ~1.3v; but i'd only have a 19% chance of hitting that speed if i paid $439 from Newegg or Amazon for one. So i paid a measly $30 and i got a guranteed 4.4ghz and possibly 4.5ghz at safe voltage.


Again, no offense, but you just sound like you don't know much about modern CPUs, at least Broadwell anyway.

Another thing to consider is that Broadwell-E has a decent IPC increase over Haswell-E, meaning that a 4.4ghz 6800K is actually equal to a 5820K at a whopping 4.75ghz or so on average!

I agree with your post except where bolded. Those numbers are for the 6950X, I highly doubt it's anywhere near same for the 6800K.
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I agree with your post except where bolded. Those numbers are for the 6950X, I highly doubt it's anywhere near same for the 6800K.

According to everyone i've talked to who is in the know about BW-E they say that basically ALL BW-E CPUs are very similar in overall maximum clocks. It's about heat output mostly on broadwell-e not about core count. Hell, even on haswell-e you only saw like a 5-8% difference between how many 5960X could hit 4.7ghz and how many 5930K etc.. could hit 4.7ghz. So it's really not a huge difference.

Plus i asked SiliconLottery directly and he said that those numbers were pretty similar across the board and that he didn't find a single 4.5ghz 6800K and only a couple 6850K/6900K that could hit it and that's IT. Out of all the dozens he tested. That's an awfully small percentage, we're talking maybe 4-5 out of all the ones he tested hitting 4.5ghz,
 
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You obviously haven't had any experience with Broadwell. Whether it's Broadwell-E 6800/6850/6900/6950X or the smaller Broadwell-S i7 5775C etc.. it's pretty much capped at 4.4ghz as the max. In ALL the CPUs that silicon lottery tested of the 5675C and 5775C he didn't find a SINGLE one that could hit 4.5ghz, and the vast majority couldn't hit 4.4. On Broadwell-E most chips are limited to 4.3ghz or less at safe voltages. If you look at reviews, basically every reviewer had to pump like 1.45v or 1.5v to hit 4.4ghz and many couldn't hit over 4.2-4.3 regardless of voltage! So getting a 6800K that is guaranteed to hit 4.4ghz at 1.344v or less on a small 240mm AIO cooler is definitely worth it, as on a nice custom water loop you could easily hit 4.5ghz whereas out of the box you're likely to not get anything higher than 4.3ghz without risking destroying the chip.

You seem to not have a lot of experience with modern CPUs in general honestly. If you seriously think the overclocks offered by siliconlottery are "extremely modest" you don't know what you're talking about, no offense. And the voltages are a placeholder, the majority of the chips hit that overclock at below the stated voltage, they simply use the same placeholder for the entire "bin" and are using a small AIO as i said. So in the case of say an i7 5820K they would say "4.6ghz @ 1.312v or lower" and if you get the chip and put it on a custom water loop you could easily hit 4.6ghz at ~1.275v or so most likely; or conversely could push 4.7ghz at ~1.35v and maybe even hit 4.8ghz at below 1.4v if you're lucky.

Take for example the 6600K for example, less than TWO PERCENT hit 4.9ghz or more, but they offer 4.9ghz ones and even 5.0ghz ones. Far from a scam, it's a way for people who WANT a guaranteed overclock without risking the "lottery". You usually don't pay much over retail either. For example, roughly 19% of Broadwell-E hits 4.4ghz or higher from testing so far, he charged me $469 for the 6800K at 4.4ghz 1.344v or lower chip, with my loop i could probably get it to that 4.4ghz at less than that for sure, probably ~1.3v; but i'd only have a 19% chance of hitting that speed if i paid $439 from Newegg or Amazon for one. So i paid a measly $30 and i got a guranteed 4.4ghz and possibly 4.5ghz at safe voltage.


Again, no offense, but you just sound like you don't know much about modern CPUs, at least Broadwell anyway.

Another thing to consider is that Broadwell-E has a decent IPC increase over Haswell-E, meaning that a 4.4ghz 6800K is actually equal to a 5820K at a whopping 4.75ghz or so on average!

I guess you didn't read my sig rig before posting your nonsense.

Edit: Full disclosure I do have HT disabled.
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According to everyone i've talked to who is in the know about BW-E they say that basically ALL BW-E CPUs are very similar in overall maximum clocks. It's about heat output mostly on broadwell-e not about core count. Hell, even on haswell-e you only saw like a 5-8% difference between how many 5960X could hit 4.7ghz and how many 5930K etc.. could hit 4.7ghz. So it's really not a huge difference.

Plus i asked SiliconLottery directly and he said that those numbers were pretty similar across the board and that he didn't find a single 4.5ghz 6800K and only a couple 6850K/6900K that could hit it and that's IT. Out of all the dozens he tested. That's an awfully small percentage, we're talking maybe 4-5 out of all the ones he tested hitting 4.5ghz,

You can see how rare they are by looking at the prices SL is charging. For 4.4, $40 premium on the 6 cores, $90 premium on the 8 cores, $350 premium on the 10 cores. That tells me the 6800K/6850K are much more common at 4.4 than a 6950X. I'll wait for them to post the numbers.
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I guess you didn't read my sig rig before posting your nonsense.
Raja@ASUS mentioned in his guide some 75% of Broadwell-E are only good for 4.3. That is also roughly what SL shows. If you really have a realbench stable 6950X at 4.6, you could probably offload it here in the marketplace for a cool $700+ premium.

Edit: Just saw your edit. Try HT on and see where your 6950X lands in realbench, you still might have a pretty nice chip.
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Raja@ASUS mentioned in his guide some 75% of Broadwell-E are only good for 4.3. That is also roughly what SL shows. If you really have a realbench stable 6950X at 4.6, you could probably offload it here in the marketplace for a cool $700+ premium.

Yeah i could really care less about ripping someone off by selling my brand new CPU that I am quite happy with. I thought this thread was about a 6800k..?

Edit: If you are running applications like games that load cores HT is not gonna help so my original point was why buy a binned 6800k at a premium for no extra FPS performance. It's not like the OP wants the chip for applications that properly utilize HT.
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Yeah i could really care less about ripping someone off by selling my brand new CPU that I am quite happy with. I thought this thread was about a 6800k..?

It's not ripping somebody off, on the contrary they'd probably be delighted to get their hands on such a chip for that price, compared to the price of how many 6950X they'd have to buy otherwise before finding one like that. I'd certainly be in the market for such a CPU.

But fair enough, back to the 6800K discussion. Feel free to PM if you would like to continue this discussion.
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It's not ripping somebody off, on the contrary they'd probably be delighted to get their hands on such a chip for that price, compared to the price of how many 6950X they'd have to buy otherwise before finding one like that. I'd certainly be in the market for such a CPU.

But fair enough, back to the 6800K discussion. Feel free to PM if you would like to continue this discussion.

I really have no interest in selling my 6950x, but I cringe a lot on these forums watching people chase numbers that have no real world value. I have always been a bit of a HT non-believer even when I am wrong tongue.gif
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Yeah i could really care less about ripping someone off by selling my brand new CPU that I am quite happy with. I thought this thread was about a 6800k..?

Edit: If you are running applications like games that load cores HT is not gonna help so my original point was why buy a binned 6800k at a premium for no extra FPS performance. It's not like the OP wants the chip for applications that properly utilize HT.
I bought a binned 6800k because it was only $40 more. I'd rather spend $40 on a binned chip than not. I don't like playing the lottery. I plan on keeping this chip and mobo for a couple of years or until something big hits the scene. Until then, I'll have no worries about lacking in the CPU department for awhile.
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