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post #221 of 991
You mean the 970 that launched at 320$, and now has a price point that will last for about a few weeks until stocks run dry, since NVIDIA stopped manufacturing them?
RX 480 will stay at 240$ for months, GTX 970 will stay at this point for maybe 5 weeks tops.

Here is the cheapest GTX 970 I managed to find: https://www.amazon.com/Asus-TURBO-GTX970-OC-4GD5-ASUS-Graphics-Cards/dp/B00WJOU7DA for 260$
Bottom tier crappy cooler, that's probably about the same as the RX 480 reference cooler in performance.

RX 480 has :
4.5 more GB of VRAM
Faster VRAM
Months of driver improvements ahead of it (while the 970 will be abandoned soon)
Same or higher performance
Improved frametimes
Aging heuristics, so the card will last longer
Superior geometry performance
Console optimizations directly translate
Async Compute
Support for HDR displays
Variable rate shading for VR
Better video code/decoding

And a lot more I probably missed



GTX 970 is outdated technology, nobody should buy it at anything more than 180$ at this point.
Edited by lolerk52 - 6/30/16 at 10:38am
post #222 of 991
I have the card. The cooler is crap. Especially the vrm temps are over 80C all the time.

This card has a lot of potential and the pcb is way better than 1080 FE but the 1 6-pin and the cooler...oh god

If the card had an 8-pin then the reference pcb with a block for 300 would be one of the best deals.

Cool video this guy knows his stuffs.
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post #223 of 991
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Originally Posted by sugarhell View Post

I have the card. The cooler is crap. Especially the vrm temps are over 80C all the time.

This card has a lot of potential and the pcb is way better than 1080 FE but the 1 6-pin and the cooler...oh god

If the card had an 8-pin then the reference pcb with a block for 300 would be one of the best deals.

Cool video this guy knows his stuffs.

Ty for the input. I am going to wait for AIB or water cooling/red mod results for OC. I specifically wanted to OC this as i already have faster gpu's. It would be for fun for me. I wonder what better cooling will bring to the OC dept.
post #224 of 991
Anybody have some decent success overclocking the 480? (1400+)
post #225 of 991
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Originally Posted by fat4l View Post

Like rly guys ?

This card is total garbage. A lot of ppl, including me, was expecting(and hoping) for more from AMD.
In terms of architecture, amd is about 2 years behind Nvidia. Sad facts....

In terms of power they matched Nvidia 970(released 2 years ago) and newly released 1080. YES 1080 has the same power draw but ~double the performance!!!
It even exceeds the power draw limits for pcie slot and 6 pin which may damage your motherboard permanently:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/amd-radeon-rx-480-polaris-10,4616-9.html.

In terms of performance they matched Nvidia 970 and AMD 390.


So basically....we have AMD "GTX 970" aka AMD RX 480....after 2 years.


Overclocking ? Non-existant. 5%-7% extra ? Seriously?

In terms of money, thats a fail too. Gibbo said already, AMD will not produce more 4GB versions(those cheap ones) so either you buy now or you will have to pay more money for 8GB version. Now the question is, do u really need 8GB with such low performance if you wont utilize it ? No.... So you end up paying more for nothing.
That means, that now this new RX480 8GB costs the same as 2 years old GTX 970.

Now...as we already said, 970 have the same performance as RX480. However if we look at overclocking this is where the story changes. You can get 1500MHz easy with gtx 970. Thats ~25% OC...and not this crappy 5%.
GTX 970 clearly wins.....

...... lets not forget temps. Whooooping 95C rolleyes.gif



Vid for this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLErWhLzZ3c


And no I'm no ones fanboy. I had 295X2, Asus ares 3(RRP 1400£!) and more amd cards and even Freesync Benq XL2730Z monitor. Amd cost me a lot of money and I lost faith in it. I moved to the green team....the grass is greener there! thumb.gif
Dont waste your money on bad products.

Granted you provide some good points, you are comparing cards that are aimed for different performances, and ulitmately pricing. You compare these cards at new rx 480 vs used gtx 970. Just because the 970 is older doesn't mean everyone is striving to buy used. So you are comparing a 200-240 dollar card to a 350 dollar card, in perspective. And lets not forget the 970's "4gb" memory which IMO is the main factor that ruins the 970.

The rx 480 is aimed much more at direct x 12 performance, which tests show the 970 quickly loses steam. The 8gb of memory may be overkill but it is much faster than the 970's.

As for overclocking you also compare a reference rx 480 vs clock speeds of aftermarket cards. Seeing that someone mounted a cpu cooler only and brought it up to 1.4+ ghz is amazing. I can only imagine what other brands will do, especially if they create their own pcb and upgraded components. And then these cards will likely be around 300 bucks. still cheaper than a new 970.

I am not a fanboy either. Actually I am an nvidia owner myself. I have a bios flashed msi gtx 970 gaming. And I really do love the card, but the main factor that drives me insane is the memory.

I think you are just early to jump the gun. I will sit back and wait for the show to finish first before I make my conclusion.
post #226 of 991
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Originally Posted by boot318 View Post

Anybody have some decent success overclocking the 480? (1400+)
Not with a reference cooler, but slapping another cooler on the RX 480 appears to allow clocks above 1400.
post #227 of 991
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Originally Posted by fat4l View Post

Like rly guys ?

This card is total garbage. A lot of ppl, including me, was expecting(and hoping) for more from AMD.
In terms of architecture, amd is about 2 years behind Nvidia. Sad facts....

In terms of power they matched Nvidia 970(released 2 years ago) and newly released 1080. YES 1080 has the same power draw but ~double the performance!!!
It even exceeds the power draw limits for pcie slot and 6 pin which may damage your motherboard permanently:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/amd-radeon-rx-480-polaris-10,4616-9.html.

In terms of performance they matched Nvidia 970 and AMD 390.


So basically....we have AMD "GTX 970" aka AMD RX 480....after 2 years.


Overclocking ? Non-existant. 5%-7% extra ? Seriously?

In terms of money, thats a fail too. Gibbo said already, AMD will not produce more 4GB versions(those cheap ones) so either you buy now or you will have to pay more money for 8GB version. Now the question is, do u really need 8GB with such low performance if you wont utilize it ? No.... So you end up paying more for nothing.
That means, that now this new RX480 8GB costs the same as 2 years old GTX 970.

Now...as we already said, 970 have the same performance as RX480. However if we look at overclocking this is where the story changes. You can get 1500MHz easy with gtx 970. Thats ~25% OC...and not this crappy 5%.
GTX 970 clearly wins.....

...... lets not forget temps. Whooooping 95C rolleyes.gif



Vid for this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLErWhLzZ3c


And no I'm no ones fanboy. I had 295X2, Asus ares 3(RRP 1400£!) and more amd cards and even Freesync Benq XL2730Z monitor. Amd cost me a lot of money and I lost faith in it. I moved to the green team....the grass is greener there! thumb.gif
Dont waste your money on bad products.


290x was overheating, throttling & loud with stock HSF, but we all know how good the card turned out with custom coolers and drivers support through the years. You really can't compare clocks against two different architectures.

I'm surprised you didn't lose some faith in Nvidia for lying about all the specs on the 970. They only came clean when all the evidence was compounding against them.
post #228 of 991
I would like to add that the vrm is within temperature
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post #229 of 991
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Originally Posted by fat4l View Post

Like rly guys ?

This card is total garbage. A lot of ppl, including me, was expecting(and hoping) for more from AMD.
In terms of architecture, amd is about 2 years behind Nvidia. Sad facts....

In terms of power they matched Nvidia 970(released 2 years ago) and newly released 1080. YES 1080 has the same power draw but ~double the performance!!!
It even exceeds the power draw limits for pcie slot and 6 pin which may damage your motherboard permanently:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/amd-radeon-rx-480-polaris-10,4616-9.html.

In terms of performance they matched Nvidia 970 and AMD 390.


So basically....we have AMD "GTX 970" aka AMD RX 480....after 2 years.


Overclocking ? Non-existant. 5%-7% extra ? Seriously?

In terms of money, thats a fail too. Gibbo said already, AMD will not produce more 4GB versions(those cheap ones) so either you buy now or you will have to pay more money for 8GB version. Now the question is, do u really need 8GB with such low performance if you wont utilize it ? No.... So you end up paying more for nothing.
That means, that now this new RX480 8GB costs the same as 2 years old GTX 970.

Now...as we already said, 970 have the same performance as RX480. However if we look at overclocking this is where the story changes. You can get 1500MHz easy with gtx 970. Thats ~25% OC...and not this crappy 5%.
GTX 970 clearly wins.....

...... lets not forget temps. Whooooping 95C rolleyes.gif



Vid for this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLErWhLzZ3c


And no I'm no ones fanboy. I had 295X2, Asus ares 3(RRP 1400£!) and more amd cards and even Freesync Benq XL2730Z monitor. Amd cost me a lot of money and I lost faith in it. I moved to the green team....the grass is greener there! thumb.gif
Dont waste your money on bad products.

This post is dumb for several reasons:

1. AMD went with a cheap cooler to make sure they hit the right price in the market. Take it or leave it.
2. Most people do not care about how good the cooling is on a reference cooler, especially when it comes from AMD.
3. Just about every benchmark I saw they were using 970's with aftermarket coolers that were overclocked.
4. This card has been out for a day now and there isn't a released aftermarket cooler version to compare for parity's sake.
5. AMD's card are always hot, as are Nvidia's. This problem is exacerbated by the cheap cooler. The paradigm will flip once the AIB coolers come out to play.
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These scores are on xfx black stock core (1328) and 2050mhz ram speeds with newest drivers. I undervolted every state in wattman by 25 - 793 stage 1, 806 stage 2, 931 stage 3, 993 stage 4, 1037 stage 5, 1085 stage 6, and 1125 stage 7. I also upped the power limit to 10% and the fan limits to 2500/3600 which honestly weren't that bad. Temps never exceeded 69c.

RX 480 - 1328/2050

Fire Strike Ultra - 2805 graphics score
http://www.3dmark.com/fs/9047410

Fire Strike Extreme - 5682 graphics score
http://www.3dmark.com/fs/9047326

Fire Strike - 12672 graphics score
http://www.3dmark.com/fs/9047245

3dmark 11 - 18248 graphics score
http://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/11372627


r9 280x - 1150/1600

Fire Strike - 9426 graphics score
http://www.3dmark.com/fs/8996991

3dmark 11 - 11591 graphics score

(didn't get extreme or ultra with my 280x)





Will do more benchmarks and play with voltages and core speeds more tonight.


Any requests? Any different benchmarks? Only games I have right now are witcher 3, csgo, overwatch, and diablo 3. I have others on steam but none really current and/or taxing on the hardware.
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