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My room is 31 to 33C for the past few days. Can't even wear a shirt.

only underwear ?

Nope. Just a pair of shorts and no underwear.
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Guys, I've been following Polaris 10 release and Radeon RX 480 coming to the market, but could have probably missed this.

Have been waiting for all AIB cards to get tested and reviewed in order to set my mind on the card to buy.
I usually go with low end GPU so this time buying and RX 480 non reference is the max i can use and the max i could afford (playing on a 1050p and on a budget)

The question i have is about the MSI RX 480 gaming X - It hasn't had it's own thread around here even thou some reviews have popped out over at Nexus and Guru3D.

Between the MSI Gaming X the Nitro+ Asus and the Devil the MSI is using bigger radiator and bigger fans. According to the tests at Guru 3d it's a very quiet card.

That's the main thing i want but since i want it to be a purchase for several (3+) years i am hoping for some notes on the quality of MSI and in particular what has been changed improved or not over the reference model in terms of the PCB. I know it has an 8pin power connector but on the other cards i saw discussion about changed power phases ? C-caps etc. etc.

I wanted to see a review on Kit Guru because the other 3 are up there and this makes for a better comparison due to test mechanics being identical. But there is no review there.
Also found an youtube video discussing the PCB but translating it to english via the subtitles and with my limited understanding of those things i can't rly understand what exactly has been upgraded over the reference model.

If someone could shed some more light on the subject that would be great as i rly want to order and get in my hands an RX 480 before the end of the month. Yet i prefer to figure out the best of them all before i order.
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Guys, I've been following Polaris 10 release and Radeon RX 480 coming to the market, but could have probably missed this.

Have been waiting for all AIB cards to get tested and reviewed in order to set my mind on the card to buy.
I usually go with low end GPU so this time buying and RX 480 non reference is the max i can use and the max i could afford (playing on a 1050p and on a budget)

The question i have is about the MSI RX 480 gaming X - It hasn't had it's own thread around here even thou some reviews have popped out over at Nexus and Guru3D.

Between the MSI Gaming X the Nitro+ Asus and the Devil the MSI is using bigger radiator and bigger fans. According to the tests at Guru 3d it's a very quiet card.

That's the main thing i want but since i want it to be a purchase for several (3+) years i am hoping for some notes on the quality of MSI and in particular what has been changed improved or not over the reference model in terms of the PCB. I know it has an 8pin power connector but on the other cards i saw discussion about changed power phases ? C-caps etc. etc.

I wanted to see a review on Kit Guru because the other 3 are up there and this makes for a better comparison due to test mechanics being identical. But there is no review there.
Also found an youtube video discussing the PCB but translating it to english via the subtitles and with my limited understanding of those things i can't rly understand what exactly has been upgraded over the reference model.

If someone could shed some more light on the subject that would be great as i rly want to order and get in my hands an RX 480 before the end of the month. Yet i prefer to figure out the best of them all before i order.

From what i've read the pcb on the MSI RX 480 is the same as the reference (unless someone can correct me). The board is larger and the cooler is significantly better. 3 difference reviews and no mention of upgrades parts other then the great cooler which is the main reason for the hike in price. As of right now the 470 seems to be more in stock then the 480 non-ref and performs near identical at a better price. That would be my choice.

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From what i've read the pcb on the MSI RX 480 is the same as the reference

No. That's a bit cheaper 4+2 VRM on the Msi.
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No. That's a bit cheaper 4+2 VRM on the Msi.

Thank you.
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I understand this is done to reduce the price.
No idea how much those VRM cost 6+1 vs 4+2 is -1 total.

The card does not OC too much so if their purpose is to support better overclocking then we don't rly need that last one.

What does 6+1 vs 4+2 mean what are the first 6/4 used for and what are the 1/2 used for. Is there are difference and why don't we count them simply as 7 and 6 total.

The different tests of the MSI put it at much better sound level due to the bigger fans and bigger radiator but also even better OC than asus and powerdevil options. Now i know it's about the chip but if their cards are not 4+2 and don't OC better than MSI then what's the point of the extra VRM ?

.... this is a quote of one post below a RX 480 review: "6 were a complete overkill, so they removed them after some initial testing.
The reference board's power phases can provide 100A each, so if MSI uses the same, even 4 will be more than enough.
As I wrote yesterday, AMD could have saved some money on the power circuitry (without really affecting quality) and use the savings on better cooling. Seems that AIBs do just that."

If i understand correctly the 4 VRM's for the CPU will give the chip 4 phases of load for like 25% 50% 75% and 100% load of the GPU while i am using it where the 6 VRMs basicly provide 6 different phases of the card's use for something like 16% 32% 48% 66% 82% 98% +2% around there or something like that
Effectively resulting in less power draw when i don't use the card at full capacity.
But is 6 rly needed or is 4 more than enough.
And having 2 VRM's for the RAM is a slight bonus then ?

Also looking at the PCB of the RX 480 Nitro the picture at Kitguru showing a 4GB version has 5 VRM (1 is removed) so that means 2 of those VRM's on the 6 group are used for the RAM and 4 for phases ?
http://www.kitguru.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/L1000544.jpg
I don't understand all this biggrin.gif
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I understand this is done to reduce the price.
No idea how much those VRM cost 6+1 vs 4+2 is -1 total.

The card does not OC too much so if their purpose is to support better overclocking then we don't rly need that last one.

What does 6+1 vs 4+2 mean what are the first 6/4 used for and what are the 1/2 used for. Is there are difference and why don't we count them simply as 7 and 6 total.

The different tests of the MSI put it at much better sound level due to the bigger fans and bigger radiator but also even better OC than asus and powerdevil options. Now i know it's about the chip but if their cards are not 4+2 and don't OC better than MSI then what's the point of the extra VRM ?

.... this is a quote of one post below a RX 480 review: "6 were a complete overkill, so they removed them after some initial testing.
The reference board's power phases can provide 100A each, so if MSI uses the same, even 4 will be more than enough.
As I wrote yesterday, AMD could have saved some money on the power circuitry (without really affecting quality) and use the savings on better cooling. Seems that AIBs do just that."

If i understand correctly the 4 VRM's for the CPU will give the chip 4 phases of load for like 25% 50% 75% and 100% load of the GPU while i am using it where the 6 VRMs basicly provide 6 different phases of the card's use for something like 16% 32% 48% 66% 82% 98% +2% around there or something like that
Effectively resulting in less power draw when i don't use the card at full capacity.
But is 6 rly needed or is 4 more than enough.
And having 2 VRM's for the RAM is a slight bonus then ?

Also looking at the PCB of the RX 480 Nitro the picture at Kitguru showing a 4GB version has 5 VRM (1 is removed) so that means 2 of those VRM's on the 6 group are used for the RAM and 4 for phases ?
http://www.kitguru.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/L1000544.jpg
I don't understand all this biggrin.gif

I have built a new PC and I got two Sapphire Radeon HD 7970 Vapor-X or £200 off eBay. It's meant as a tide me over till there is more competition at the GTX 1070 levels of performance - come on Vega. GTA 5 and Crysis 3 return levels of performance I should see in a single Asus GTX 1060 OC Strix. I'm impressed. Got me thinking what a 290/390x would be like. I'm also a bit concerned by all the talk of Volta as I like to buy mid-range, overclock and then keep for 4 years...I bought a 7950 Vapor-X overclocked it a stock 7970 Gigahertz all £232 now nVidia want to charge £400 quid for GTX 1070 (Inno 3D Air Boss X3) what are they smoking...
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I understand this is done to reduce the price.
No idea how much those VRM cost 6+1 vs 4+2 is -1 total.

The card does not OC too much so if their purpose is to support better overclocking then we don't rly need that last one.

What does 6+1 vs 4+2 mean what are the first 6/4 used for and what are the 1/2 used for. Is there are difference and why don't we count them simply as 7 and 6 total.

The different tests of the MSI put it at much better sound level due to the bigger fans and bigger radiator but also even better OC than asus and powerdevil options. Now i know it's about the chip but if their cards are not 4+2 and don't OC better than MSI then what's the point of the extra VRM ?

.... this is a quote of one post below a RX 480 review: "6 were a complete overkill, so they removed them after some initial testing.
The reference board's power phases can provide 100A each, so if MSI uses the same, even 4 will be more than enough.
As I wrote yesterday, AMD could have saved some money on the power circuitry (without really affecting quality) and use the savings on better cooling. Seems that AIBs do just that."

If i understand correctly the 4 VRM's for the CPU will give the chip 4 phases of load for like 25% 50% 75% and 100% load of the GPU while i am using it where the 6 VRMs basicly provide 6 different phases of the card's use for something like 16% 32% 48% 66% 82% 98% +2% around there or something like that
Effectively resulting in less power draw when i don't use the card at full capacity.
But is 6 rly needed or is 4 more than enough.
And having 2 VRM's for the RAM is a slight bonus then ?

Also looking at the PCB of the RX 480 Nitro the picture at Kitguru showing a 4GB version has 5 VRM (1 is removed) so that means 2 of those VRM's on the 6 group are used for the RAM and 4 for phases ?
http://www.kitguru.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/L1000544.jpg
I don't understand all this biggrin.gif

VRM's dont work like that. More phases are less efficient (more parts with resistance/inductance/capacitance) but allow a higher total power output. More phases also tend to give cleaner power due to the way switching regulators work.
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Ordered my reference 8GB RX 480 yesterday (239.99). Can't wait to get it and play with it.
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