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Originally Posted by sugarhell View Post

There wasnt pascal on early nvidia's roadmaps. Then next year pascal was there.

For the facts:

pascal came solely to fill the gap of 2016 for async that is pretty much why it came and nothing more volta wont give the same jump on tflops as maxwell 2.0 to paxwell 1.0 did they wont have to rely on brute force to do the job or the windows 10 for that matter
post #122 of 274
The 20nm thing had a ripple effect on their product stack since Maxwell.
post #123 of 274
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Originally Posted by Buris View Post

Charlie is well-known to hate Nvidia in the past, although some of his newer (last year) posts forecasted that Nvidia was almost a year ahead of AMD on the first to the die-shrink.

I would say there are either two things going on at Nvidia, both raise some concern.

1. They are having yield issues or TSMC is not making the chips fast enough
or
2. They are artificially increasing demand by keeping stock at extremely low levels, allowing the 1080 and 1070 to be sold far above MSRP

Both are possible, though I side with the latter reasoning.

They have already done this by pricing the Founders edition (The slightly inferior card) at 700$ while expecting the board partners to sell the better product at 600$, obviously the custom cards are priced at a *reasonable 720 I dont know how the money flows but the board partners have at least an extra 120$ if Nvidia hasn't raised the price somehow. (Also, the 100$~ more you need to pay doesn't go to Nvidia obviously which screws over the impatient of us.)

And here I was hoping on huge improvements and competition for both companies starting fresh on a new node.

*Reasonable as in 'more money equals better VRM and voltage delivery than the FE'
post #124 of 274

Yields are one thing... bins are completely different animal. They both contribute to supply issues.

 

*smaller build process is inherent to being more sensitive to manufacturing flaws

*not meeting the majority of bin requirements due the above, directly impacts ability to fill orders.

 

Intel had the same issue with SKL, and will continue to have the same issue going forward with future designs (to a lesser degree as they gain experience and tweak process); as will Samsung, Nvidia, AMD etc. This will go on until something replaces current technology for manufacturing beyond 7nm. Consider -

 

1. AMD has no supply issue with new gen. They have been building 14nm for some time already, just not for GPU core.

2. Nvidia has just begun 16nm build with Pascal. They have no previous 16nm product. They have current supply issue.

post #125 of 274
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Originally Posted by CL3P20 View Post

Yields are one thing... bins are completely different animal. They both contribute to supply issues.

*smaller build process is inherent to being more sensitive to manufacturing flaws
*not meeting the majority of bin requirements due the above, directly impacts ability to fill orders.

Intel had the same issue with SKL, and will continue to have the same issue going forward with future designs (to a lesser degree as they gain experience and tweak process); as will Samsung, Nvidia, AMD etc. This will go on until something replaces current technology for manufacturing beyond 7nm. Consider -

1. AMD has no supply issue with new gen. They have been building 14nm for some time already, just not for GPU core.
2. Nvidia has just begun 16nm build with Pascal. They have no previous 16nm product. They have current supply issue.
some months ago people were saying that having apple and anyone else on the same fab would be catastrophic this might as well be a quota problem its not like apple hasnt done it before
just like those arabs when ferrari releases a new car.. they pay 10-20-30 millions more to be on the first ones...
post #126 of 274
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Originally Posted by CL3P20 View Post

Yields are one thing... bins are completely different animal. They both contribute to supply issues.

*smaller build process is inherent to being more sensitive to manufacturing flaws
*not meeting the majority of bin requirements due the above, directly impacts ability to fill orders.

Intel had the same issue with SKL, and will continue to have the same issue going forward with future designs (to a lesser degree as they gain experience and tweak process); as will Samsung, Nvidia, AMD etc. This will go on until something replaces current technology for manufacturing beyond 7nm. Consider -

1. AMD has no supply issue with new gen. They have been building 14nm for some time already, just not for GPU core.
2. Nvidia has just begun 16nm build with Pascal. They have no previous 16nm product. They have current supply issue.
some months ago people were saying that having apple and anyone else on the same fab would be catastrophic this might as well be a quota problem its not like apple hasnt done it before
just like those arabs when ferrari releases a new car.. they pay 10-20-30 millions more to be on the first ones...

 

 I wasnt referring to quota issues from TSMC being backed up, serving other clients. I am referring to design related issues which hurt overall bin quantities & the ability to learn/move past them successfully. From the looks of things, Nvidia is just going through the 'normal' growing pains associated in moving to a smaller design process.

 

*Intel of course has their own fabs, so your theory wouldnt apply to them.

post #127 of 274
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he is but of course you agree with his pro-AMD bias, thats why you dont see it
for what I know him, he's not that amd biased. he just doesn't agree with the general principle that in order to get a card you gotta spend money.
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Much wow, such a $120 discount, how did you manage to do that redface.gif

open box, plus the owner of the shop is a cool guy, and I'm his repeat client. called him,asked about 1080s, he said I could either get a new one for $700 or an open box for $620, managed to talk him down to $580 so I got it.
Edited by Klocek001 - 6/25/16 at 10:29am
post #128 of 274
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Originally Posted by BiG StroOnZ View Post

That seems highly conspiratorial to believe that over underestimating demand.
Looking at your avatar and reading the world " conspiratorial " in your post is just scarry . Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
just kidding biggrin.gif
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open box, plus the owner of the shop is a cool guy, and I'm his repeat client. called him,asked about 1080s, he said I could either get a new one for $700 or an open box for $620, managed to talk him down to $580 so I got it.

Next time start with that.
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open box, plus the owner of the shop is a cool guy, and I'm his repeat client. called him,asked about 1080s, he said I could either get a new one for $700 or an open box for $620, managed to talk him down to $580 so I got it.
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he is

So he is only 1% of you? biggrin.gif
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