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perhaps

doesnt change the fact though



also I love how some keep saying 1080 buyers will get burnt smile.gif

I can just go ahead then and claim that all 1080Ti buyers in 2017 will be burnt when 1180 Volta comes out in 2018 (only a little over a year after 1080Ti) and equals or beats it at a lower price + new features and arch biggrin.gif

Well if people pay more than $200 over MSRP for the 1080 TI then they are going to get burnt. Nobody would be getting burned by the reference 1080 if they were all selling for $599 like they should be.
post #252 of 274
There might even be a possibility we will never see a Pascal card with HBM.

nVidia might just wait even longer to implement it for graphics cards. GP102 for 1080 Ti with GDDR5x, and GP100 only for driving taxis.
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It's only "available" because it doesn't sell as good as in the US.
Most stores have between 2-8 cards and it seems the demand is declining in most Europe.

It's hard to imagine why demand is so low in Europe:

Graphics card pricing in Europe is sad.

For CPU's, they try to, at least, maintain a numerical constance in prices (€350 for $350 models, etc), but we've been stuck with +100 values for GPU's in Europe for a while.
    
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Graphics card pricing in Europe is sad.

For CPU's, they try to, at least, maintain a numerical constance in prices (€350 for $350 models, etc), but we've been stuck with +100 values in Europe for a while.

Europe just has high import and sales taxes (VAT). The currency against the dollar is strong, but maybe its the Euro and British Pound vs. the country of manufacture that really sets the price...
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So, let me get this straight.

This entire thread is filled with nothing more than utterly baseless speculation in the place of anything even remotely approaching hard numbers, with personal bias and conspiracy taking the place of reasoned analysis and stunting any hope of an accurate assessment of the state of production of computer graphics cards.

What possible resolution could you have to this, on either side? If you're on team red, how does a potential Nvidia supply issue actually help you, even if we assume you're right and it's true? Is it getting you a better red graphics card any sooner? If you're on team green, what benefit is there to insisting that it's a good thing that Nvidia grind down AMD into the dirt? Do you really want the graphics card market to go the way of Intel's CPU market?

I truly do not understand this petty tribalism that develops around graphics hardware. I mean, I guess it's because you're going out and spending several hundred dollars on something and you don't want to feel like you made a poor choice, but is it really worth sacrificing an accurate perspective on reality just to shore up your ego?
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So, let me get this straight.

This entire thread is filled with nothing more than utterly baseless speculation in the place of anything even remotely approaching hard numbers, with personal bias and conspiracy taking the place of reasoned analysis and stunting any hope of an accurate assessment of the state of production of computer graphics cards.

What possible resolution could you have to this, on either side? If you're on team red, how does a potential Nvidia supply issue actually help you, even if we assume you're right and it's true? Is it getting you a better red graphics card any sooner? If you're on team green, what benefit is there to insisting that it's a good thing that Nvidia grind down AMD into the dirt? Do you really want the graphics card market to go the way of Intel's CPU market?

I truly do not understand this petty tribalism that develops around graphics hardware. I mean, I guess it's because you're going out and spending several hundred dollars on something and you don't want to feel like you made a poor choice, but is it really worth sacrificing an accurate perspective on reality just to shore up your ego?

I'd say it's more of an interest in the industry. There are only two real players.

So a favorable outlook for one side looks like your against the other by default, and vice versa.
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I don't claim to know squat about wholesale/retail but won't the cards got sold to the retailer at a fixed price? Meaning the extra $$$ go into the retailers pocket not Nvidia's? Or is it some kind of split of the sale price with an agreed on minimum? Thanks.

I have no idea. Maybe they only produce a certain amount during the first production run to see how they sell so they don't over produce?
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I'd say it's more of an interest in the industry. There are only two real players.

So a favorable outlook for one side looks like your against the other by default, and vice versa.

Why are there "sides" in the first place?
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Why are there "sides" in the first place?

Why are there sides with other products? Why Ford vs Chevy? Or Pepsi vs Coke? People have preferences and tend to "root" for the companies they like. Its human nature...
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Why are there sides with other products? Why Ford vs Chevy? Or Pepsi vs Coke? People have preferences and tend to "root" for the companies they like. Its human nature...

I don't disagree.

However, I own a 980ti, a 680 and two 580's. I also have 2x R9 290's and several other older AMD cards.

nVidia makes it very difficult to "root for them."

I really hope AMD succeeds here and gets a bit more market share. I'm fairly certain I'll go AMD this go'round with Vega. I don't like G-Sync and I don't like nVidia pricing.


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