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Originally Posted by Slomo4shO View Post

I would consider the Polaris launch a failure if they delay custom designs and limit the market to reference design.

Aren't custom designs usually delayed a few weeks or so?
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Until AMD actually releases something that is ahead of Nvidia for ONCE. I will never look or even consider them. That includes pricing.
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For some reason I feel obligated to point out a $609 1080 does exist. But yeah I agree with your points otherwise.

Though I'd also add it seems like they're sacrificing Maxwell somewhat to prop up 1070, especially since 980 Ti after price cuts is still either marginally more expensive or just about the same price as a 1070. And for the same price there's absolutely no reason to get a 980 Ti.

Yeah and its also a unicorn as well. There's a reason that the mass majority of 1080's are retailing for more than $650. Sure they might make 10 $609 cards to satisfy that price point but that doesn't really qualify the 1080 as a "$599" card.

I will say that using S/A as a source for any Nvidia news is barely ever credible...
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Until AMD actually releases something that is ahead of Nvidia for ONCE. I will never look or even consider them. That includes pricing.

lolwut? Take out the brand names, heck don't and it doesn't really make much sense.
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I have yet to see them in stock.

thought the fools edition i mean founders edition was 599?
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post #46 of 274
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Yes, I feel pascal was a bit rushed. This launch has not gone smoothly in any manner. It just overall seems poorly planned.

Nvidia invested alot more into it's 2nd gen 28nm products and as a result, likely made a pretty large inventory of 28nm products. Add in the low cost of 28nm wafers when finfet wafers windup and they probably thought, they could get away with 28nm a bit longer. This as a result, leads to too much 28nm products in the channels and still at retailers. But with leaks and demonstrations of polaris at the end of 2015, Nvidia could not sit on 28nms.

The problem is for Nvidia to maintain it's marketing advantage, it can't just rely on their old 28nm products to carry them through. A nodal advantage is enormous and it was obvious AMD wrote off 2nd get 28nm, so they were putting alot more resources into 14nm finfet. So Nvidia needed a counter for Polaris.

If AMD got to launch the 480x without some sort of bullet point from Nvidia to counter them, AMD could regain much of it branding prestige back. E.g a card with gtx 980/390x performance at 300 dollars is a solid card. Better than Nvidia has on the market. What Nvidia likely knew, was the rx480 performance before most of us. I was able to guess it within 5% of it in march. And Nvidia likely has moles and connections and probably knew about it in early january. They also knew AMD was releasing something early into the 2nd half of 2016 because AMD literally said they would.

It was important for Nvidia to keep their branding advantage, so Nvidia had to do something but they also didn't want to cannibalize there excess 28nm products on the market. The solution for them was to release a supply limited gm204 run. When you add the dual pricing of pascal [450/699 rip off founders editions(reality) and $380/$599 reviewers/marketing pricing(illusion)], along with the limited quantity, it keeps partners happy and reduces the caniballization of 28nm cards. To me, the 1070 attempt to be an rx480 spoiler, particularly from a marketing perspective.

For marketing purposes, the gtx 1070 in particular is a Polaris 10 killer. Although not at the retail level 380 dollars, in terms of marketing, a $380 dollar card that performs about 35-40% faster than a 390x/980, nukes the 300 dollar price point if the rx 480 were to launch at that price. This is because getting 35-40% more performance for 26.6% more money is a good deal and makes the gtx 1070 a better deal. Even those this price/performance only exists on paper, it would significantly soften the positive impact and positive reviews for the rx 480 if it were to launch at 300, which is probably the proper price point for a 232nm finfet product(this is still cheaper than the 7870 which was a smaller chip on a much cheaper process).

What Nvidia likely didn't expect AMD to do is cut to the bone and to hurt themselves to get that marketshare and to get those positive reviews to build up their brand. Being 45% cheaper while possessing 70-75% of the performance puts the value proposition back in AMD wheel house which gives them marketshare and branding presence at the cost of profit. AMD branding/marketshare took at hit big time on 28nm and this is what AMD needs to build up the most. They are going to gain much of their reputation and marketshare back with the rx480. Their profits will take a hit, but building themselves up in the eyes of consumers is what they need most right now.Particularly if they do sell this division.

This is a pretty crazy GPU war so far and AMD hasn't even released their products yet. But AMD has definitely won the marketing war this time around even those it looks like Nvidia's took the engineering one. And what Nvidia has proven in the past is the marketing one is the more important one to take.

Well then perhaps greed clouded their judgement, had they cut prices months ago they probably would have sold well. Now, not so much.
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thought the fools edition i mean founders edition was 599?
The Fudders edition Founders Edition is $699, mate. $599 maybe is the price of the nake card without cooler, which sadly is not available for we plebs.
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The Fudders edition Founders Edition is $699, mate. $599 maybe is the price of the nake card without cooler, which sadly is not available for we plebs.

weow.

i honestly thought it was 599.

damn.

edit msrp is 599.

where are these 600 dollar cards?
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I would consider the Polaris launch a failure if they delay custom designs and limit the market to reference design.

It won't be too bad if the reference cooler isn't loud.
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Until AMD actually releases something that is ahead of Nvidia for ONCE. I will never look or even consider them. That includes pricing.
How much performance do you get for this "pricing" component? Will it give NV an edge against asynchronous compute?

I need to know more.
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