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post #1021 of 1323
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Originally Posted by SEJB View Post

Try the csgo subreddit and the mouse surveys that pop up every now and then. The deathadder and rival demolishes every single time.

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so rekt

I love how he just arbitrarily changes his "point" after the rektoning. He is hellbent on downplaying Logitech for some reason. I hate to break this to you, but whether you are right or wrong on the matter really makes zero difference in any way. Your point could not be more pointless. But do go on.
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post #1022 of 1323
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I don't see why they won't drop the price on thr actual Logi site. Which is what i was referring to. They should drop the price accordingly witht this new mouse about to pop.

Business as usual. Just like nvidia selling founders editions for more than partner gpu's. No retailer would buy from them if they were competing with the seller. That's why direct pricing is always higher than with retail partners.
post #1023 of 1323
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Originally Posted by SEJB View Post

I said they were small in the fps market which they are.

They aren't unless you're using some strange metric for measurement....
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Originally Posted by SEJB View Post

No pro uses Logitech products unless they are forced by sponsors since no mouse fits them and the average player buys a deathadder, rival or fk. The mice you mention were great but they are all EOL.

Aaand there we go. Now you're dealing with increasing peripheral contracts and investments in team support as the gray-area metric.

You have mentioned in the days of yonder Logitech was more pronounced. Can more than likely be deduced to Logitech's late emphasis on anything eSports compared to other makers and the much stronger presence of peripheral contracts.

Hint: What the teams use isn't necessarily a reflection of the market. Using said metric, Steelseries and Zowie could easily be the top 2 mice makers but it is clearly - far and away - not the case for consumers.

Aside from the CSGO subreddit survey, there's EEDAR's PC Peripheral survey for 2015.
post #1024 of 1323
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Originally Posted by VolsAndJezuz View Post


doh.gif

so rekt

I love how he just arbitrarily changes his "point" after the rektoning. He is hellbent on downplaying Logitech for some reason. I hate to break this to you, but whether you are right or wrong on the matter really makes zero difference in any way. Your point could not be more pointless. But do go on.

Lmao 2nd only to Razer as we all knew; that's just gaming too. Don't even bring up their success with business environments and laptop mice andoffice keyboards etc.
post #1025 of 1323
I understand why people think it would be smart for Logitech to undercut the market with their pricing for the G200, but I think history demonstrates that they do not take this strategy with their pricing. Particularly with their flagship new products. Just look at G303, G502, and G900. All were initially priced at the very top of their respective categories.

They want the price of their flagship new releases to reflect the fact that they have the best R&D and highest build quality in the biz. Very few people looking to buy a premium gaming mouse will be deterred by having to spend a few extra 10s of dollars on a mouse that would otherwise be their first choice. Other factors like shape, performance, user reviews and reputation, and marketing will almost always drive purchase decisions more than price.
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post #1026 of 1323
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Originally Posted by VolsAndJezuz View Post

I understand why people think it would be smart for Logitech to undercut the market with their pricing for the G200, but I think history demonstrates that they do not take this strategy with their pricing. Particularly with their flagship new products. Just look at G303, G502, and G900. All were initially priced at the very top of their respective categories.

They want the price of their flagship new releases to reflect the fact that they have the best R&D and highest build quality in the biz. Very few people looking to buy a premium gaming mouse will be deterred by having to spend a few extra 10s of dollars on a mouse that would otherwise be their first choice. Other factors like shape, performance, user reviews and reputation, and marketing will almost always drive purchase decisions more than price.

Ya know, I have to agree. With a hold of as much market share as they do they could charge virtually whatever they wish. Their main competition is Razer and Razer almost allllllways prices high
post #1027 of 1323
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Originally Posted by VolsAndJezuz View Post

I understand why people think it would be smart for Logitech to undercut the market with their pricing for the G200, but I think history demonstrates that they do not take this strategy with their pricing. Particularly with their flagship new products. Just look at G303, G502, and G900. All were initially priced at the very top of their respective categories.

They want the price of their flagship new releases to reflect the fact that they have the best R&D and highest build quality in the biz. Very few people looking to buy a premium gaming mouse will be deterred by having to spend a few extra 10s of dollars on a mouse that would otherwise be their first choice. Other factors like shape, performance, user reviews and reputation, and marketing will almost always drive purchase decisions more than price.

I heard that consumers do like the sound of $1.99 more than $2.00; in their minds it sounds like it's much cheaper than 1 cent. So $80 versus $70 is a different category in their minds.

When a kid asks their parents if they can buy them a gaming mouse their parents will ask, "How much is it." When they say it's over $80 their parents will likely say, "That's absurd! Get something cheaper." When they say it's $70 their parents might buy it for them.

I regularly see people have a limit of $70 (including tax and/or shipping) for a gaming mouse.

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Originally Posted by coldc0ffee View Post

Ya know, I have to agree. With a hold of as much market share as they do they could charge virtually whatever they wish. Their main competition is Razer and Razer almost allllllways prices high

But the Razer DeathAdder was released in 2006. That is many years of reputation and popularity to bank off of.

This new Logitech mouse does not have that history to work with.
Edited by popups - 8/11/16 at 5:16pm
post #1028 of 1323
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Originally Posted by SEJB View Post

You spend too much time in this forum if you think Logitech is huge in the csgo and fps area. I never said a word about the mouse market in general but when it comes to fps Logitech isn't a big player, probably because of the spaceships released the past few years though. Try the csgo subreddit and the mouse surveys that pop up every now and then. The deathadder and rival demolishes every single time. Every forum thread when people ask about a new mouse Logitech very rarely gets mentioned.

Aja ncck says players mostly use other mice when it comes to hardcore fps single Logitech doesn't really have a good normal shape fps mouse.
implying /r/globaloffensive is even a small fraction of the people who play csgo or fps in general.
post #1029 of 1323
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Originally Posted by equlix View Post

implying /r/globaloffensive is even a small fraction of the people who play csgo or fps in general.

I wonder how many hours a day Reddit users play GO.

When I used to play CS a lot, I would put in at least 1000 hours a year.
post #1030 of 1323
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Originally Posted by popups View Post


I regularly see people have a limit of $70 (including tax and/or shipping) for a gaming mouse.
But the Razer DeathAdder was released in 2006. That is many years of reputation and popularity to bank off of.

This new Logitech mouse does not have that history to work with.

Wait what? Almost anyone who has been gaming for more than a couple years most likely has had a Logitech at some point. Also the name has changed, but the basis of this mouse started like 2000 with the bj58 optical mouse and has been a "gaming" mouse since at least 2006 or so with the mx300. I don't remember exactly when the mx300 came out.
Edited by chr1spe - 8/11/16 at 7:38pm
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