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I'm one of those people who fell into unimpressed by Logitech shapes and was won over by Razer until synapse killed it for me. I've even gone out of my way to look at others like Roccat, Mionix and Zowie over Logitech. There's no denying something is changing and logi got me to look again with G900 and now this. If it's premium built like G900, whether you like the shape or not, this little bugger is going to sell extremely well for those that do dig it and not just Area 51 employees this time. We'll see soon enough.
     
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Originally Posted by chr1spe View Post

Wait what? Almost anyone who has been gaming for more than a couple years most likely has had a Logitech at some point. Also the name has changed, but the basis of this mouse started like 2000 with the bj58 optical mouse and has been a "gaming" mouse since at least 2006 or so with the mx300. I don't remember exactly when the mx300 came out.

Only until recently I bought a Logitech. I never wanted to use a MX510 because of the finger groove. I used Microsoft mice and a Diamondback until I went over to Zowie mice.

This mouse is not a MX300. Some people even consider the G100s not a MX300. It looks similar and might have a similar type of rear, but that doesn't make it a MX300.

The DeathAdder 3G and DeathAdder Chroma are basically the same shape. You know what you are getting when you continue buying the newer version of a DeathAdder.
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Originally Posted by ncck View Post

It's doesn't have to be a palm grip, your palm just needs to make contact with the mouse - you can arch your fingers claw style if you wanted to; I'm just saying if the mouse is wide/tall enough for your hand to be elevated it just seems to be way more accurate style of aiming, I've tried and tried again and tracking fast moving targets is always superior when you can just quickly and in full control move your mouse - if you don't have that palm support you will reach a 'end zone' where you either need to lift your mouse and move it or cannot make a tiny correction cause it feels 'awkward' - this is probably more of a lower sensitivity problem but with the palm contact you can make those tiny adjustments better - anyway overall I really think I just need to grab a 3360/6 mouse that I enjoy and use it for a year straight or more.. I keep changing peripherals and it's working against me for sure. I want to say I'm waiting for a zowie 3360 but their clicks and scroll wheel are just way too inferior to the competition for me.. I love those fast responsive clicks you can really feel them in-game

And I'm saying that is just for you personally, but you are making it sound like it is a general thing. There is no good reasoning for that to be true in general and for me if the base of my palm isn't behind the back of my mouse just above the pad small corrections feel awkward for me. There are people who can aim extremely well with a lot of different styles of grip though. Also unless the sensor is far forward or the mouse is very small making you have to curl your hand in an extreme way you can't really have your pinky and ring finger even with the sensor with a claw grip. That is why I like short mice with fairly centered sensors. The sensor is close enough to the front of the mouse for me to grab the mouse around the sensor and still have my hand in a reasonable grip and I strongly prefer the heel of my palm being behind the mouse just above/on the pad.
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Originally Posted by popups View Post

Only until recently I bought a Logitech. I never wanted to use a MX510 because of the finger groove. I used Microsoft mice and a Diamondback until I went over to Zowie mice.

This mouse is not a MX300. Some people even consider the G100s not a MX300. It looks similar and might have a similar type of rear, but that doesn't make it a MX300.

The DeathAdder 3G and DeathAdder Chroma are basically the same shape. You know what you are getting when you continue buying the newer version of a DeathAdder.

Hm, I never actually had a mx300, but the g100s feels just like my old logitech bj58 to me which was the first mouse I ever bought for gaming back in like 2001. I used that thing for quite a while though because I was young and didn't have much money and all the money I did have went towards trying to make my computer actually capable of running games. I actually didn't game much from like 2005-2011 for various reason including not having money to upgrade my computer enough. I still have the bj58, but I gave away my g100s after getting a g303 so I can't directly compare them right now.
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They're noobs to be honest and the discussions on there are mind boggling stupid, but it's a good place to see patch notes and team scores. Competitive players hate Reddit csgo sub

Applies to just about every subreddit/large internet community based off a game. /r/Overwatch, for example, is filled with mediocre players who complain about poor balance on a "flavor of the week rotation" (Like when Soldier bursting was nerfed after a few mostly incorrect threads about macros popped up despite being in the game since before launch) and think that everyone better than them is a hacker.
It's inevitable for communities with hundreds of thousands of users.
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Originally Posted by popups View Post

Only until recently I bought a Logitech. I never wanted to use a MX510 because of the finger groove. I used Microsoft mice and a Diamondback until I went over to Zowie mice.

This mouse is not a MX300. Some people even consider the G100s not a MX300. It looks similar and might have a similar type of rear, but that doesn't make it a MX300.

The DeathAdder 3G and DeathAdder Chroma are basically the same shape. You know what you are getting when you continue buying the newer version of a DeathAdder.

Of course it's not the mx 300, but its the "classic" logitech shape they talk about in the video, which will be very similar. This should be the first time they make a better mouse than the 300 with a similar shape.
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It's doesn't have to be a palm grip, your palm just needs to make contact with the mouse - you can arch your fingers claw style if you wanted to; I'm just saying if the mouse is wide/tall enough for your hand to be elevated it just seems to be way more accurate style of aiming, I've tried and tried again and tracking fast moving targets is always superior when you can just quickly and in full control move your mouse - if you don't have that palm support you will reach a 'end zone' where you either need to lift your mouse and move it or cannot make a tiny correction cause it feels 'awkward' - this is probably more of a lower sensitivity problem but with the palm contact you can make those tiny adjustments better

I always have the base of my palm in contact with the mousepad when resting the mouse and only very slightly elevate my wriste for swipes, my thumb and pinky are still in contact with the pad then. If I hold just the mouse without any contact to the mousepad it's really awkward for me and I can't aim at all.
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Aside from the CSGO subreddit survey, there's EEDAR's PC Peripheral survey for 2015.

Don't let Elrick see that slide 11 there, 81.1% positive feedback for Razer quality might give him a heart attack.
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so rekt

I love how he just arbitrarily changes his "point" after

How? I literally went in saying Logitech isn't doing too well in the csgo playerbase atm and the link proves exactly that. Maybe the extrapolation to fps players in general doesn't fit but the conclusion is correct for cs players. Their current lineup has less than half the sales of their main competitors current lineups and Logitech only holds a strong position among csgo players because of legacy products like the g400 and g100.

The empirical evidence from the random hardware forums and smaller mouse surveys there or buy recommendation threads for fps games Logitech is also beaten out by steelseries and razer easily and zowie is about as common as Logitech.

All this is most likely because of how difficult it is to recommend a product with the shapes Logitech have used the past few years. I loved my g400s but just holding a g402 and a g502 made me realize I could never use them.

I understand we will never agree so let's just stop cluttering the thread with market share discussions and continue in pms of someone really wants to keep on going.

Back om the topic at hand, What will they actually name this mouse? Is it Logitech G pro gaming mouse like in the video? Because naming it g200 will force the price to be low because of their naming scheme.
Edited by SEJB - 8/11/16 at 11:32pm
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Originally Posted by popups View Post

The G502 sells well with the casual crowd who wants/needs versatility.

The G302/3 was supposed to be for the more competitive player, but that hasn't been much of a success with the FPS crowd. Hence why there is this new mouse with a better shape.

How do you know? I have a G303 and love it for FPS, it's like perfect for claw with 20cm hands, never spins out, insanely accurate. I know like 10 people that use it for FPS and MOBA. It's a hate or love it shape.
Edited by Lass3 - 8/11/16 at 11:37pm
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does anyone know the approximate size?
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