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I don't think people are going to say that anymore. I was probably the first person to say polaris 10 was going to be a replacement for pitcairns at 120 watts with 390x performance. When I said gtx 980 ti performance was unlikely, and crazy IPC gains were unlikely, I was called those things, but considering the events unraveling before us, those people can't say those things anymore.

My posts are long, but my reasoning is better than most.

My prediction in performance parallels between tonga and the gm204 and Polaris 10 and gp104. This is was particularly hammered about. I said Polaris 10 was going to be a 232mm2 card with 390x performance based on the assumed improvements AMD stated, and the performance per mm2 disadvantage AMD had vs Nvidia during maxwell vs GCN.

Man did I get hammered in the thread below.

http://www.overclock.net/t/1598515/game-debate-rumour-amd-polaris-10-reportedly-offers-near-980-ti-performance-for-300-usd/480#post_25139694

http://www.overclock.net/t/1600940/videocardz-amd-radeon-r9-480-3dmark11-benchmarks/380
I dont agree with much you say, I'm just not one for bashing people though, I detect emotion in your posts and bias tongue.gif some disagreed with me as well when I said it was a pitcairn replacement and would be priced that way (which I said at the start). btw In your link you say 150w and between 390 and 390x not 120 and 390x, plus you cant even say thats right now without real benches/reviews/drivers! My prediction for polaris is, there's still some small surprises to come, in fact, there has to be as leaks have suggested all gains come from the shrink rather than arch improvements and we know there has been lots of changes so surely some improvement, I bet there will be parts of games where old gcn struggled but where polaris will shine and much have better minimums. Maybe not 1070 killing review winning things but I dont think this will be a simple 390x at 120w. I just hope amd havent gone down the 'business is war' road with their pricing, it didnt work out too well for the only company I'd ever be emotional or biased toward!
post #102 of 378
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To be honest some your commentary does come off a bit grating, but ditch any preconceived notions and realize it's not sugar coated, and you'll see it is just what it is.

I go against the grain and go against the hype. Tech hype and getting excited over electronics, is something people get too passionate about. They see AMD and Intel/Nvidia as forces of good and evil. But these companies are doing people no favors, they are just business.

AMD is a smaller company, with less resources, with bad brand value, which forces them to do certain things which may be morally better than the big businesses. But when it comes down to it, what they do is the result of their position in the industry, resources, historical trends and current products.

When it comes to these things, your right, i don't sugar coat it. I try to be realistic and take into all of this, particularly the the resources at AMD disposal and this never makes people happy. People expect very big things about AMD like they are an unstoppable juggernaut. But when you realize how much resources AMD actually has, it's a miracle that they can make competitive products, but this is why you should not get overhyped about some of their products and always assume their going to be an _______ killer. AMD resources, are always going to limit them.

But right now, they are doing what's best for business and I applaud them for that. Not making a direct Hawaii/fury replacement like what people wanted was the smartest things they could do for them.

In addition pouring all their resources into their CPU division is probably the smartest thing to do in the long run. This might have lead to the many iterations of GCN rather than a new architecture, but no matter how successful their GPU division can become, it will never generate enough revenue to properly fund a proper x86 processor company. E.g put Nvidia's profits into AMD pockets and reexpand the amount of R and D an x86 CPU company needs and they still take losses.

When you look at AMD as a business, there are alot of holes, that people don't like to talk about, but I do, and this leaves people unhappy for some reason. I talk about them because they are a good predictor for future products, outcomes and their general direction. But what people should be happy about is AMD is making the right decisions finally, that is tightening their focus to make use of their limited resources which hopefully means Zen is a success.
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I dont agree with much you say, I'm just not one for bashing people though, I detect emotion in your posts and bias tongue.gif some disagreed with me as well when I said it was a pitcairn replacement and would be priced that way (which I said at the start). btw In your link you say 150w and between 390 and 390x not 120 and 390x, plus you cant even say thats right now without real benches/reviews/drivers! My prediction for polaris is, there's still some small surprises to come, in fact, there has to be as leaks have suggested all gains come from the shrink rather than arch improvements and we know there has been lots of changes so surely some improvement, I bet there will be parts of games where old gcn struggled but where polaris will shine and much have better minimums. Maybe not 1070 killing review winning things but I dont think this will be a simple 390x at 120w. I just hope amd havent gone down the 'business is war' road with their pricing, it didnt work out too well for the only company I'd ever be emotional or biased toward!

I also said between a 110-135 watt part in the same post. I tend to give a ballpark figure because I don't have any sources. Particularly with my earlier predictions.

I think think what you see as bias as me just not being optimistic about GCN anymore. AMD keeps adding more layers to it, but until AMD switches to a new architecture, I think the gains we can expect from GCN are going to be limited. Realize the IPC gain from VLIW4 and GCN was only about 10%. Most of the increase came from the extra cores and the increased frequency.
Edited by tajoh111 - 6/26/16 at 3:11am
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I guess calculated by the amount of pre-orders? The GPU is not even anywhere in stock.

I think the point is that NVIDIA got a lot more cards out in total worldwide than any previous launch.
Take Zotac for example. Although its outsold right now it gets new stock several times per day. Which in total means a lot of sold units.
http://www.nowinstock.net/full_historydetails/925/19655/
Edited by iLeakStuff - 6/26/16 at 3:10am
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The 480 can't even beat a 970 in Unigine Heaven.
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I guess calculated by the amount of pre-orders? The GPU is not even anywhere in stock.

I think the point is that NVIDIA got a lot more cards out in total worldwide than any previous launch.
Take Zotac for example. Although its outsold right now it gets new stock several times per day. Which in total means a lot of sold units.
http://www.nowinstock.net/full_historydetails/925/19655/

according to that, it's NEVER been in stock (preorder only):


and this is totally ignoring fud's own article (among many more) how short supply is/was:

Geforce GTX 1080 supplies may be scarce until mid June
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according to that, it's NEVER been in stock (preorder only):


and this is totally ignoring fud's own article (among many more) how short supply is/was:

Geforce GTX 1080 supplies may be scarce until mid June

Same with a bunch of other AIB models. Could be preorder numbers higher than supply they get so it never gets in stock but goes out of stock
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Same with a bunch of other AIB models. Could be preorder numbers higher than supply they get so it never gets in stock but goes out of stock

it seems you were inferring nvidia would be sending 10 shipments a day to amazon and that would not be happen. if anything amazon would adjust their next shipment order.

bottom line is no one is giving hard numbers and can extrapolate (spin) anything the want. smile.gif
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There is no way the 1080 is the best selling high end card in terms of actual units sold.
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Funny how you make selling volume out of some price comparison site's stock availability which is all the time out of stock and mostly US only unless you switch it to very limited options for other markets. Useless site for statistics really. With that logic any card out of stock constantly is the best sold card lol
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Funny how you make selling volume out of some price comparison site's stock availability which is all the time out of stock and mostly US only unless you switch it to very limited options for other markets. Useless site for statistics really. With that logic any card out of stock constantly is the best sold card lol

If you want to omparing a successfull card and a not so popular card, you can have a look at these two.
Both should have optimal supply but its a vast difference in sales

https://www.nowinstock.net/computers/videocards/amd/r9furyx/full_history.php
https://www.nowinstock.net/computers/videocards/nvidia/gtx980ti/full_history.php
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